Dutch Government Gives Luxury Cruise Ship to Illegal Migrants While Native Citizens Struggle to Pay Heating Bills

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Submitting documents does not prove that you are an asylum seeker or that you would be granted. It merely means that an application has been made. Should we house suspected criminals in luxury hotels ahead of them being tried and found innocent or guilty?

In either case, these people expect to be accommodated but do not require a house or five star cruise ship. They would be suited to be placed in a processing centre, where basic food and shelter needs are met and basic first aid. Nothing more is necessary.

Statistical evidence has suggested that up to 40% of those entering the UK illegally are economic migrants from Albania, not a war torn country. During the peak of the middle eastern migrant movements across Europe, Czech Republic reported that most applications had the same date of birth. Many of these men go on to try to enter children's schools by claiming they are not adults. Migrants are not to be trusted and.treated because they signed a piece of paper.

So I stand by my statement, you can say that you are a squirrel but it does not make it so.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

US has a similar problem

"In order to be granted asylum, an individual is required to provide evidence demonstrating either that they have suffered persecution on account of a protected ground in the past, and/or that they have a “well-founded fear” of future persecution in their home country."

The 2 million people coming across the southern border every year are NOT being politically persecuted, they just live in countries with shitty and corrupt governments. Edward Snowden and Julian Assange are poltically persecuted, not poor people living in cartel areas.

I will grant that this is problem largely due to our foreign policies of coups, embargos, drug wars and other destabilization tactics, as well as often personally installing the corrupt government ourselves.

I would think the USA fuckery in the middle east is largely to blame for Europe and their flood of immigrants, but admit I am less well informed about European geopolitics than my own

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Much of the problem has been due to the European Union pressuring countries across Europe to welcome and even invite migrants to come, although there has been significant regret from some leaders involved in the initial drive. I doubt they realised it would amass the millions in recent years creating a drain on the economy, a housing crisis and healthcare challenges, not to mention ever rising violent crime rates. We have a similar issue in politics where one side repeatedly succeeds in pushing for open borders despite all the evidence that the policy is failing. I have every sympathy for the difficulties the US is facing on the border.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It has been very very interesting to watch what has happened regarding these policies in the Scandinavian countries.

The countries were very successful at implementing neo-socialist policies (what I call the new tendency towards capitalism with heavy taxation and strong social safety nets, as opposed to the traditional socialism that is analogous to true communism) when they were able to maintain a very homogenous population, and for a while they looked like geniuses with great education, low poverty, low crime, and high living standards

The immigration was clearly a disaster waiting to happen for them, muslims don't culturally assimilate, and they are economic refugees that use a disproportionate amount of very generous and very expensive services. This was clearly going to lead to resentment, social problems, and a backlash that moves people in the opposite direction from what they are intending

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeedie, and the resulting disaster is clear to see, Sweden especially. We witness lawless segregated ghettos of Muslims, massive increases in rapes and violent crimes and lack of security for the citizens. It must be very unsettling to see your local culture be eroded in such a short period. We may be beginning to see the change in tide though as policy points away from encouraged mass immigration. The socialist policies largely prevented even talk of the negative consequences of the migrant failing to integrate.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The 2 million people coming across the southern border every year are NOT being politically persecuted,

The definition which you shared did not use the word "politically", did it?

How the fuck would you know the circumstances of 2 million individuals?

Julian Assange

Yeah the political persecution of: being wanted for raping a woman...

Or the political persecution of: being wanted for bail jumping on the rape charge...

Or the political persecution of: being ejected from your host's embassy because you can't keep to the agreement...

Or the political persecution of: assisting his sources in hacking the US government instead of just saying "I'm only a journalist but HMU if you find something"...

Or the political persecution of: threatening suicide in prison and getting put on suicide watch...

Yeah all the persecution he faces is 0% political, 0% related to his whistleblowing, 100% related to his terrible decision making

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The definition which you shared did not use the word "politically", did it?

It said: "provide evidence demonstrating either that they have suffered persecution on account of a protected ground"

Maybe you are unfamiliar with the terms 'persecuted' and 'protected ground'

Oxford dictionary, "persecution" - hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.

On 'account of protected ground' would refer to someone being denied their political rights due to discrimination

Protected Grounds means race, religious beliefs, colour, gender, physical or mental disability, age, ancestry, place of origin, marital status, source of income, family status or sexual orientation or any form of discrimination

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/protected-grounds

Yeah the political persecution of: being wanted for raping a woman...

Prosecutors dropped the charges after the alleged victime recanted, he is no longer being charged with this, but still facing extradition

Or the political persecution of: being ejected from your host's embassy because you can't keep to the agreement...

He isn't facing extradition and prison for being a bad house guest either

Or the political persecution of: threatening suicide in prison and getting put on suicide watch...

Or this

Or the political persecution of: assisting his sources in hacking the US government instead of just saying "I'm only a journalist but HMU if you find something"...

You mean the whistleblowing that exposed the governments crimes against US citizens, while the poeple who committeed those crimes are still walking free...? But yeah lets lock up the whistleblower instead. I guess they should have waited for the government to confess.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There are seven grounds of discrimination covered by the law prohibiting discrimination

Ok but just reminding you that you said "political persecution" and now you're walking it back to - religious persecution, ethnic persecution, etc.

Now try and walk back the claim that 0 of these 2 million people you named, are really persecuted.

that exposed the governments crimes against US citizens? I guess they should have waited for the government to confess

None of the consequences that Assange faces are political persecution. Everything that happened to him is because he's a dick who broke the law.

You mean the whistleblowing

I mean that time when someone was hacking the US government and Assange provided live online step by step assistance. Yeah that time. The time he did the criminal things which he's being extradited for - not persecuted, but facing the consequences of his actions

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok but just reminding you that you said "political persecution" and now you're walking it back to - religious persecution, ethnic persecution, etc.

These are all types of persecution relating to being denied ones political rights, which makes them in need of asylum from political persecution. These migrants are largely fleeing gang violence and poverty, which does not qualify one for political asylum

Now try and walk back the claim that 0 of these 2 million people you named, are really persecuted.

No the number isnt zero, but it is definitely a minority of asylees that have legitimate cases, do you really think the reason for this migration isnt drug cartel violence and poverty? I do think we have a responsibility for the condition these countries are in, as our foreign policy has contributed to this, but immigration is a real problem, and open borders arent an answer

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

isnt drug cartel violence

Huh now that's starting to sound like persecution

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

isnt drug cartel violence

Huh now that's starting to sound like persecution

It isn't. "Persecution of protected grounds" has to involve discrimination based on a legally protected status

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dude do you think you've found some legal loophole? That one paragraph you found is the totality of the law, and you've decided how Federal policy should change according to that paragraph of text you found. Incredible

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude do you think you've found some legal loophole? That one paragraph you found is the totality of the law, and you've decided how Federal policy should change according to that paragraph of text you found.

Loophole? These are literally just the definitions of the words. There is a difference between an asylee and a refugee, which is what you are describing. A refugee can be fleeing natural disaster, indiscriminate violence, or poverty, none of which are valid asylum cases per the law. I am sorry definitions seem so complicated to you

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Wow nice, you managed to repeat and ignore your mistakes yet again

Submitting documents does not prove that you are an asylum seeker

Are you really telling us that you think: That someone who submits docs to seek asylum and is housed by the Dutch government, has not provably sought asylum? Are you that much of a moron? How can someone who has sought asylum not prove that they're an asylum seeker?

In either case, these people expect to be accommodated but do not require a house or five star cruise ship. They would be suited to be placed in a processing centre, where basic food and shelter needs are met and basic first aid.

Wow genius, I can't believe you figured this out and the Dutch government didn't. There they are, providing rooms on a cruise liner, while you have discovered that a simple processing centre would be sufficient! Incredible! There was no need at all for the cruise liner, they should have just used a processing centre! Why oh why did the Dutch government think of a processing centre on that day they booked the cruise liner?! God, you're so smart, you should email queen Beatrix with your genius idea, I bet they'll kick themselves when they find out, that a processing centre would have been enough!!

What? Wait what's that? Oh, there was no available processing centre?

In that case I ask you for the fourth time: would Dutch citizens be better served if the asylum seekers were made homeless and forced to live on the streets? Is that a preferable solution of no processing centre is available? Dipstick

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Speaking to me in this manner will not grant you respect. Go fuck yourself.

You know full well that my point is that people are not to be considered as legitimately requiring asylum until they are granted asylum, and that by inviting them to stay in luxury is an attraction for those who would seek to take advantage of the opportunity.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Oh no, now I won't get to hear any more of your amazing ideas like

  1. When you pretended that "These are understood to be illegal immigrants who have no intrinsic right" even though the evidence said otherwise

  2. When you pretended that people who have sought asylum are not provably asylum seekers

  3. When you ignored the question of - what other solution do you propose, other than homelessness

  4. When you discovered the novel fact that a processing centre would be sufficient. Just if only we could find one...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

If you create a problem such as manufacturing mass immigration open to abuse, you prepare for such. Otherwise, close the border. No country has any obligation to accommodate anyone other than their citizens, regardless of them applying for asylum. Furthermore, they have traveled through several safe countries to reach one that would offer them greater benefits. Fuck those people.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Furthermore, they have traveled through several safe countries

How did you determine that? Did you forget that Holland has one of the world's busiest shipping terminal at Antwerp and one of the world's busiest airports? Isn't this just pulled entirely out of your ass? And if it's true - have you discovered something new?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/04/world/europe/europe-refugee-distribution.html

No you haven't, the EU already distribute migrants to countries in the union.

So while the Dutch government assess their asylum claim and asses the route they took to Netherlands and assess which safe country they can go to: I ask you for the sixth time: should they be left on the street? Would that be a good outcome for Dutch citizens? You're a moron who keeps digging deeper and deeper. Can't wait to see what nonsense you come up with next instead of just admitting: this story is a nothingburger and you were an idiot to use it to confirm your bias towards xenophobia

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So now you support mass immigrants using private property to be housed rent free? It wasn't long ago you were arguing the opposite where migrants in the US were to be housed in military accommodation instead of private vacant homes. Or do you now agree with Chipit on this subject? It seems to me that you are intentionally provocative to ensure a spicy debate my friend 🙏

How do you differentiate between protection of one's nation and xenophobia when it comes to being bombarded with a seemingly unlimited supply of military age men from islamostan demanding to be pampered? Governments are doing this to virtue signal to the left while simultaneously trying to avoid more islamostanians blowing themselves up in Christmas markets.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The Martha's Vineyard thing was - chipit believed they should be forcibly placed in people's existing homes by the government. This Dutch thing is - I'm saying they should be housed and not left homeless. Surely you're not so bad faith as to pretend there's no difference between someone not being homeless, and them living out your spare room?

How do you differentiate between protection of one's nation and xenophobia when it comes to being bombarded

How do YOU differentiate between unicorns and dragons when it comes to the leprochaun economy?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Those successfully granted asylum should only have the same right to housing as the citizens. Therefore, they should have no more right to accomodation than the existing homeless citizens themselves. A country must take care of it's own first, before asylum seekers who could be anyone from anywhere. You cannot use people's private property to house homeless and "just build more houses" is not a valid answer given the infinite queue of illegals waiting to scrounge off the system. When surveyed, around one in 4 young Africans want to move to Europe. It is unsustainable.

Asylum applicants have no rights at all to be housed, less so in the luxury of a five star vessel. In the UK, asylum seekers were granted use of an army barracks, they set it on fire demanding hotels. Fuck those people.

If I turn up at your door, would you allow me to shit on your doorstep, raid your fridge, your bank account and then ask that you thank me for the pleasure?

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Therefore, they should have no more right to accomodation than the existing homeless citizens themselves.

Ok great finally someone will answer me. Screw the boat - these refugees should have been left living on the streets of Netherlands. And that's the outcome which you think would have been preferable. While the big empty ship is stuck at harbor. Ok.

If I turn up at your door, would you allow me to shit on your doorstep, raid your fridge, your bank account and then ask that you thank me for the pleasure?

Sounds like you have that image in your head. How did that get there I wonder.

Ok so if the news which you seek out to consume, was full of stories about how grateful they are, how meek and humbled they've become since arriving to UK, how well they're adapting to the bus timetable and corner shops and the argos catalog...would you still be writing about "shitting on my doorstep"?

Sounds like you're seeking out some xenophobic media to consume

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Should we house suspected criminals in luxury hotels ahead of them being tried and found innocent or guilty?

I sort of think so, yeah. A person is presumed innocent until they are proven guilty, being a prisoner is already a punishment.