Dutch Government Gives Luxury Cruise Ship to Illegal Migrants While Native Citizens Struggle to Pay Heating Bills

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

US has a similar problem

"In order to be granted asylum, an individual is required to provide evidence demonstrating either that they have suffered persecution on account of a protected ground in the past, and/or that they have a “well-founded fear” of future persecution in their home country."

The 2 million people coming across the southern border every year are NOT being politically persecuted, they just live in countries with shitty and corrupt governments. Edward Snowden and Julian Assange are poltically persecuted, not poor people living in cartel areas.

I will grant that this is problem largely due to our foreign policies of coups, embargos, drug wars and other destabilization tactics, as well as often personally installing the corrupt government ourselves.

I would think the USA fuckery in the middle east is largely to blame for Europe and their flood of immigrants, but admit I am less well informed about European geopolitics than my own

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Much of the problem has been due to the European Union pressuring countries across Europe to welcome and even invite migrants to come, although there has been significant regret from some leaders involved in the initial drive. I doubt they realised it would amass the millions in recent years creating a drain on the economy, a housing crisis and healthcare challenges, not to mention ever rising violent crime rates. We have a similar issue in politics where one side repeatedly succeeds in pushing for open borders despite all the evidence that the policy is failing. I have every sympathy for the difficulties the US is facing on the border.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It has been very very interesting to watch what has happened regarding these policies in the Scandinavian countries.

The countries were very successful at implementing neo-socialist policies (what I call the new tendency towards capitalism with heavy taxation and strong social safety nets, as opposed to the traditional socialism that is analogous to true communism) when they were able to maintain a very homogenous population, and for a while they looked like geniuses with great education, low poverty, low crime, and high living standards

The immigration was clearly a disaster waiting to happen for them, muslims don't culturally assimilate, and they are economic refugees that use a disproportionate amount of very generous and very expensive services. This was clearly going to lead to resentment, social problems, and a backlash that moves people in the opposite direction from what they are intending

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeedie, and the resulting disaster is clear to see, Sweden especially. We witness lawless segregated ghettos of Muslims, massive increases in rapes and violent crimes and lack of security for the citizens. It must be very unsettling to see your local culture be eroded in such a short period. We may be beginning to see the change in tide though as policy points away from encouraged mass immigration. The socialist policies largely prevented even talk of the negative consequences of the migrant failing to integrate.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The 2 million people coming across the southern border every year are NOT being politically persecuted,

The definition which you shared did not use the word "politically", did it?

How the fuck would you know the circumstances of 2 million individuals?

Julian Assange

Yeah the political persecution of: being wanted for raping a woman...

Or the political persecution of: being wanted for bail jumping on the rape charge...

Or the political persecution of: being ejected from your host's embassy because you can't keep to the agreement...

Or the political persecution of: assisting his sources in hacking the US government instead of just saying "I'm only a journalist but HMU if you find something"...

Or the political persecution of: threatening suicide in prison and getting put on suicide watch...

Yeah all the persecution he faces is 0% political, 0% related to his whistleblowing, 100% related to his terrible decision making

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The definition which you shared did not use the word "politically", did it?

It said: "provide evidence demonstrating either that they have suffered persecution on account of a protected ground"

Maybe you are unfamiliar with the terms 'persecuted' and 'protected ground'

Oxford dictionary, "persecution" - hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.

On 'account of protected ground' would refer to someone being denied their political rights due to discrimination

Protected Grounds means race, religious beliefs, colour, gender, physical or mental disability, age, ancestry, place of origin, marital status, source of income, family status or sexual orientation or any form of discrimination

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/protected-grounds

Yeah the political persecution of: being wanted for raping a woman...

Prosecutors dropped the charges after the alleged victime recanted, he is no longer being charged with this, but still facing extradition

Or the political persecution of: being ejected from your host's embassy because you can't keep to the agreement...

He isn't facing extradition and prison for being a bad house guest either

Or the political persecution of: threatening suicide in prison and getting put on suicide watch...

Or this

Or the political persecution of: assisting his sources in hacking the US government instead of just saying "I'm only a journalist but HMU if you find something"...

You mean the whistleblowing that exposed the governments crimes against US citizens, while the poeple who committeed those crimes are still walking free...? But yeah lets lock up the whistleblower instead. I guess they should have waited for the government to confess.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There are seven grounds of discrimination covered by the law prohibiting discrimination

Ok but just reminding you that you said "political persecution" and now you're walking it back to - religious persecution, ethnic persecution, etc.

Now try and walk back the claim that 0 of these 2 million people you named, are really persecuted.

that exposed the governments crimes against US citizens? I guess they should have waited for the government to confess

None of the consequences that Assange faces are political persecution. Everything that happened to him is because he's a dick who broke the law.

You mean the whistleblowing

I mean that time when someone was hacking the US government and Assange provided live online step by step assistance. Yeah that time. The time he did the criminal things which he's being extradited for - not persecuted, but facing the consequences of his actions

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok but just reminding you that you said "political persecution" and now you're walking it back to - religious persecution, ethnic persecution, etc.

These are all types of persecution relating to being denied ones political rights, which makes them in need of asylum from political persecution. These migrants are largely fleeing gang violence and poverty, which does not qualify one for political asylum

Now try and walk back the claim that 0 of these 2 million people you named, are really persecuted.

No the number isnt zero, but it is definitely a minority of asylees that have legitimate cases, do you really think the reason for this migration isnt drug cartel violence and poverty? I do think we have a responsibility for the condition these countries are in, as our foreign policy has contributed to this, but immigration is a real problem, and open borders arent an answer

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

isnt drug cartel violence

Huh now that's starting to sound like persecution

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

isnt drug cartel violence

Huh now that's starting to sound like persecution

It isn't. "Persecution of protected grounds" has to involve discrimination based on a legally protected status

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dude do you think you've found some legal loophole? That one paragraph you found is the totality of the law, and you've decided how Federal policy should change according to that paragraph of text you found. Incredible

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Dude do you think you've found some legal loophole? That one paragraph you found is the totality of the law, and you've decided how Federal policy should change according to that paragraph of text you found.

Loophole? These are literally just the definitions of the words. There is a difference between an asylee and a refugee, which is what you are describing. A refugee can be fleeing natural disaster, indiscriminate violence, or poverty, none of which are valid asylum cases per the law. I am sorry definitions seem so complicated to you