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[–]Nemacolin 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Yeah. No. You are off by a factor of ten.

To begin with, the world suffers 151,000 deaths of all causes per day. Going off the 2016 numbers, the leading cause of death is cardiovascular disease. It kills about 48,000 people a day. Cancers are #2. They kill about half that. Respiratory diseases come in at #3. We lose 9,500 a day to that.

Starvation, death from hunger, is more complex. "Protein-energy Malnutrition"is the 20th largest killer. It takes about 310,000 lives a year. "Malnutrition,"is about #17 on the list. It kills 370,000 people a year. Taken together we get 680,000 deaths per year from the two. That is to say the two forms of starvation comes in at #15, just behind homicide as a killer.

So, 680,000/365 =1,850 or so deaths caused directly by malnutrition/day. You seem to have misplaced a decimal.

But, as I said, it is complex. Malnutrition weakens the body, especially of the young. Many people die of other causes because they were too weakened by hunger to fight off another infection.

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

See Tom_B's comment to understand the point of my post...

[–]Nemacolin 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I would have thought the point was you did your sums wrong.

Now go over to s/lists and upvote something.

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I didn't do any sums, I referenced the data set that is the same data set everyone is following for COVID. Not saying it's correct, saying it's in the same data source.

[–]Nemacolin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So you posted it, but you did not say it was correct?

So why then did you post it?

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No I said I didn't do the math myself! Geez! I have no more idea if this data is correct than you know it isn't. We cannot know this.

What I"m saying is I used the same source for the hunger data that the majority of the population uses for the COVID data. That's all I meant, crikey.

[–]Nemacolin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good morning,

So at this point are you saying about twenty thousand people die of starvation a day or more like two thousand?

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The source I quoted, which provides links, (and I understand you are unable to look at it from your location) calculates it as 22,600 + per day. Edited for typo

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The argument that everything is bullshit therefore I can use bullshit to make my argument is bullshit. Some bullshits are bullshittier than others. Your particular bullshit is even stacked on more bullshit. You have a bullshit conclusion about population control stacked on clearly bullshit numbers stacked a bullshit implication that absolute death counts are all that matter.

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, my post wasn't about population control, it was about the ongoing pandemic of world hunger.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed it does seem I have mischaracterized your stack of bullshit; I apologize. All this shit looks the same to me.

[–]HiddenFox 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The wiki article you posted was all.over the map. With data from 2016 to 2002. A google search will show about 25 000 a day die of hunger. WHO also supports this. OP original source link will lead you to worldmeters who further links sources that support 25 000 a day. Edit: correction

[–]Nemacolin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When I click on your link I get an error message. No doubt something to do with my Saudi Internet connection.

Actually no. The table I used is from 2016. But let us pretend it was from fourteen years earlier. Just for amusement's sake. Are you saying that while deaths from starvation per day in that year was just under 2,000 now the number is more than ten times as many? That seems wonderfully imaginary.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WHO has no credibility. Anyone citing WHO is an idiot.

[–]whereswhat 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I just dug into this a bit. OP's source is the most commonly referenced interpretation of world starvation rates but it counts all deaths related to hunger, even remotely. Your approach gives a better estimate of death rates caused directly by acute malnutrition.

[–]Nemacolin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you.

Starvation is complex there are a lot people who died who would not have had they been properly nourished. Only a small number of these actually starve. Reasonable people can differ, but a difference of 1,000% is remarkable.

[–]yetanotherone_sigh 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Today in the USA, coronavirus became the #1 killer. Source:

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's an excellent point.

You can't frighten people into their homes with hunger. :-/

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

and our perception is that it is not contagious. therefore not our problem.

[–]astronautrob 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Great point. Completely preventable and nobody gives two fucks because it's not on "the news".

[–]Nemacolin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The idea that over twenty thousand people starve to death each day is also a lie.

[–]cynical_americano 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

people who point shit out like this have to be so painfully dumb. ever heard of a false equivalency? this is the perfect example of one, assuming you're using this as some comparison to the concern over the COVID19 pandemic.

a pandemic is dangerous for obvious reasons. if they aren't obvious to you, then you aren't trying to understand.

[–]FormosaOolong[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nope, not a false equivalency. If my point isn't obvious to you, then you're just looking for excuses to call your peers stupid.

[–]cynical_americano 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

there's another false equivalency from you- i don't need an excuse to call others stupid.

[–]asg101 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Capitalism causes the hunger that kills all those people. It also poisons the environment, killing more people. It also pushes tobacco and fast food killing more, with "pay or die" healthcare systems finishing the job.

Why aren't we fighting capitalism as vigorously as this virus?

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

So on a barren Island no one starves because there is no Capitalism; right? Holodomor never happened, right?

[–]asg101 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If it is an island where someone will sell food but won't share it, then yes.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So everyone is starving already, but if someone boats in with food to sell then suddenly the starving becomes their fault? It sounds like you are brainwashed and literally any bullshit you can pull out of your ass against capitalism becomes some kind of brilliant insight to you.

[–]asg101 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You certainly have to dig deep into "what ifs" to deny the reality of the death and destruction your free-market heroes are causing all around us.

You sound like the brainwashed one.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not a what if. It is called stripping everything else away to make it as clear as possible that there is absolutely no way you can claim that something as natural as starvation is caused by a political system. Your claim is retarded on its face and yet there you are making it; so there is something seriously lacking in your reasoning abilities. I am simply trying to make it as easy for you as possible.

[–]asg101 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You keep defending your masters.

Look up "Stockholm Syndrome" sometime. Not to be too complex for you.

[–]RickC-137 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

but....did they have Covid?

[–]0O_O0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

More than 22,600 people died of hunger TODAY

They should eat more.