Saidit's 'free speech' is under attack from the new admin, who is of course a tranny. Check the moderation logs and see individual user posts to see what is being removed and ask yourself "is this level of censorship in line with saidit's rules, or are they serving a personal agenda'.

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[–]christnmusicreleases 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (66 children)

Well if you look at the diversity of my posts, you will see that it is not a shill account. I engage with other posters and respectfully agree or disagree with viewpoints. I'm not trying to smother anyone.

Treating me like I'm a shill when I'm an enthusiast is like a car company limiting a driver's mileage by turning off the ignition if they travel often.

I see Saidit turning into Reddit very quickly, in the same way when the CCP bought into it with ownership. Ever since then the moderation was overbearing, and free speech was crushed.

[–]magnora7 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (52 children)

Your posts actually have pretty poor diversity, imo.

But the point is, this is a community. This is not your personal soap box. 8 a day is more than enough.

If you find this overbearing, I'd suggest you've not really used too many forums

[–]christnmusicreleases 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (51 children)

Then I suggest you put that limitation on all users or admit that you're the shill here. What is it with leftists? Free speech for me but not for thee.

If you could only speak eight times a day, would that be free speech? I didn't use Reddit like that, why would I expect Saidit to be less free than them?

It's all in the algorithm. You can tweak it if you want to push a certain diversity. You don't need to muzzle your userbase, especially the leaders who are building subs and regularly posting and engaging with other users. Look at yourself in the mirror. Your posts aren't much different than mine, a bit of politics, a bit of technology, a bit of humor, and a few serious posts.

[–]magnora7 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (33 children)

It is on all users, I already said that twice

It's like you're deliberately not paying attention to what I'm saying, and instead just want to cause trouble.

[–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

If that is indeed the case, then it should be hardcoded into the system, lest some users "be more equal" than others.

Selective enforcement is the problem: if it's not coded in, potential for discrimination is unlimited, which is exactly the problem with Reddit. Admins are not going to impartially police the limit of free speech of users they agree with.

Also it should be stated clearly into the rules of the site. I had no such issue with you before.

This is clearly lazy coding, IMHO. You could simply limit the maximum number of posts per user featured on the front, and let them post to their heart's content without interfering with your diversity quota. I don't care if I'm not on your featured list, but I think my posts all have a right to be seen.

Why should I have to wait 3 hours to post breaking news that's really important for a particular sub?

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (31 children)

You can write the code then and we'll gladly use it.

You realize we're doing all this stuff for free, right? I don't have infinite time to be re-writing code for edge-cases to accomplish things we can already easily do.

[–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (30 children)

You've already branded me as the perjorative "shill," do you really want a "shill" hijacking your glorious algorithm?

Are you really that inept a coder? You have created and maintain a site, you set an informal rule that nobody knows, and you can't just code it in? Or perhaps you're afraid if people know the rules, they wouldn't be your userbase anymore.

The very least you could do, if you're too lazy to limit code to 1 post per 3 hours per user, which is super easy, is to write it up in the rules, and enforce it among the entire userbase equally (which in the end you claim to be doing the last point, I think that is much harder than coding it, as the code only needs to be written once, enforcement is infinite potentially).

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (29 children)

I never called you a shill. I said these are things shills do, which is a true statement.

You think it's "super easy" but you've obviously never looked at the codebase. If you could code it, we will use it. But of course you won't, because it's actually not easy at all.

You call me lazy, but I do hours of work a day for this website.

[–]christnmusicreleases 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (28 children)

You do realize that code injection is a risk here? You've labeled me the bad guy here. Why don't you step up and fill in the hole, thus preventing these arguments and a lot of unnecessary moderation?

It's pretty easy, put in a variable for each user called postnumber, increment it after each post. When postnumber = 9, deny the next post, resetting it every 24 hours. And perhaps put in a special case to deny simultaneous posts by using a flag, postingpost=on. It's not rocket science here.

Or you could manually moderate every user with an Iron Fist, stirring up dissent and a toxic environment. Time consuming for all admins and bad for the site mood as a whole. Which is what you claim to be doing as of now. A little coding goes a long way for PR.

[–]magnora7 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

You do realize that we review all our code before adding it to the main branch?

What is this, amateur hour? Wake up dude.

[–]JasonCarswell 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (16 children)

I agree that the limitation must be for everyone, including me. I've not heard of an 8/day limit until now. I do not like it at all. If anything, this is more arbitrary M7 bullshit. IF there's a limit to be imposed, the community should vote on it in /s/SaidItSurveys.

Further, the voting must be managed and prepared - openly. As I've previously pushed for countless times, if there was special announcements in the header or sidebox people would be notified of important community news rather than stumbling upon them by chance in /s/all - easily overlooked if you miss a day or few.

Failing that, we could announce a date for the election, at least a week in advance, tweak the criteria up to the election with community feedback, then have the election. This is a better way to social-manage the community - openly.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

IF there's a limit to be imposed, the community should vote on it in /s/SaidItSurveys.

Why? So the shills can vote?

8 is every bit as arbitrary as whatever number is voted for.

I'm struggling to identify successful democracies in 2021.

If Saidit was a democracy then it would have been ruined long ago.

Nobody cares about the site as much as M7. He created it.

Why should anyone else get to decide?

Benevolent dictatorship in an era of malevolence.

I support maximal freedom, but you can't win wars with bickering democratic allies.

We don't have unified allies. Quite the opposite.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Don't give up so soon. There are ways to figure things out that are more open and fair.

Sure, shills are a valid problem. Maybe filter out users under 8 months old, as it's come up that the STABs now date back that far. Then add a filter for rarely used accounts suddenly coming to life to vote. New folks will be disenfranchised but you'll have a more authentic number.

Yes, democracy is the tyranny of the majority. I still believe in worker cooperatives, a much lesser evil than unions or corporations.

I am against democracy for more important things on SaidIt. I would never want Chipit elected to the trusted-team, among others.

M7 could NOT have done it without D3.

Ask DioJr how benevolent he is.

We don't have unified allies. Quite the opposite.

You've lost me.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

We don't have unified allies. Quite the opposite.

You've lost me.

United we stand, etc.

I doubt Saidit could be considered united.

I doubt those selected as jurors would remain united after about a month.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

As I said elsewhere under this OP to M7:

" The older active problematic users like DioJr, the ABCs, and even me or christnmusicreleases if you so wish, deserve open transparent trials by a trusted-team with respected wisdom. You pick them, let people vote for them, or whatever. I respect folks like AXXA, christnmusicreleases, D3, DeWho, Fred, happysmash, Hibiki, jamesK, Jesus, Larry, M7, Musky, Orangutan, TAM, Tom, zyxzevn, and many more friends who aren't highlighted on /s/all right now that I know with varying degrees of certainty. Your list may be different than my short sample list here. Between them I'm quite sure your respected team can come to a conclusion with minimal drama in a timely fashion (NOT endless), save you the headache, and distribute the target and blame that's all on you now as judge, jury, and executioner. "

You are in that list of what I'd call good ones, even if of different character. Some I don't know as well as others and may need to be removed in time while others may be added by being worthy. Are there any in that list you would most likely not be civil with?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Are there any in that list you would most likely not be civil with?

It's not about that. It's about the effects of power/influence.

Also, no one actually knows anyone else. It's all forum personalities. Who's to say anyone is worthy.

M7 is about as measured and restrained as it gets.

Put aside your own visions for what the site could be, or make your own site.

Publicly pushing for changes to other people's site's in inherently destabilizing; especially given all of the STABS action recently.

The timing of all of this is interesting.

So many seemingly independent individuals and groups are all demanding changes at the same time.

I'm not a coincidence theorist.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's not about that. It's about the effects of power/influence.

It ISabout that, AND about self-regulating that power/influence.

The common users as well as the trusted-team would call each other's shit out and even dismiss team members who may seem to get drunk on power. Whether I were part of a team like that or not, I'd be more interested in watching how people wield their power to call it out. At present we can call out M7 but there's ZERO accountability - if we even know about what ever shit he's up to, for better or worse.

Also, no one actually knows anyone else. It's all forum personalities. Who's to say anyone is worthy.

Their history of actions and expressed views build up their case. Duh. Just like appraising shills. Of course a skeptic would know that anyone may falter at any time, even in power.

M7 is about as measured and restrained as it gets.

That's bullshit. He's moderately fair. He also has frequent meltdowns of irrationality, childish manipulations and deceptions, and even stoops to low blows when confronted.

Put aside your own visions for what the site could be, or make your own site.

I prolly shouldn't say this in the open before anything is certain, but it's already being seriously considered. PM me for more.

This could be the new slogan "We respectfully invite you to go fork yourself."

Publicly pushing for changes to other people's site's in inherently destabilizing; especially given all of the STABS action recently.

M7 owns this site but it's ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY that gives it life.

M7 chooses his policies like allowing anons, free-ish speech, exposing power, etc.
M7 chooses to be burdened rather than delegate responsibilities.
M7 chooses to take on all these difficult problems himself.
And he's even chosen not to ban me, for whatever good that may or may not do.

You're better than to support authoritarianism.

The timing of all of this is interesting.
So many seemingly independent individuals and groups are all demanding changes at the same time.

My issues with M7 are not new, and this is why the co-founder of SaidIt pulled out too, and how useless_aether was handled was the mess and last straw. I didn't see all of it like he did, and I don't like it either but at least I saw a bit of how he was sliding. I was not willing to die on that hill. I have zero evidence DioJr was a problem, just hearsay which is largely opinion for better or worse. DioJr is the catalyst martyr to push for the change and evolution we will be needing to survive the future.

I'm not a coincidence theorist.

Me either. The big conspiracies like the Great Reset and Agenda 21 and the Trillion$ in bailouts are funding the war of censorship and oppression and will get worse in the future towards 2030. The food crises will only make things worse and desperate people will be STABs for a steady paycheck.

Because many people align to ask (or demand like morons) for things at the same time doesn't necessarily mean it's a conspiracy. Many may be connected. It may also indicate that serious reform is critically necessary. IMO, it's been LOOOOOOOOOOONG overdue.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Watch out for that Node character.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, he's just one node in a cluster of trouble.

You're among my /s/friends too! I would have included you if I'd seen you highlighted in red on /s/all or in that thread as I did them. There are many many many more insightful folks who have earned their way into my /s/friends list. They are the good ones. Some I know better than others. And even a handful who have earned their way off it.

[–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

I am with you on this 100%.

I don't like the limitation, I think it's an atrocity, but if it exists it should be applied equally.

The problem with Saidit is that average user interaction is low, when compared to other Reddit alternatives. I guess /u/magnora7 intends to keep it that way.

The much better way and more common sense method of managing things is to allow unlimited posting, but make it much harder for a single user to dominate the front page in any meaningful sense. Allow everything to show up in /r/all, and don't be selective about which subs appear there.

Which is what the majority of Reddit clones do, I do not see any advantage of keeping this censorship mechanism in the rules (on- or off-book).

I could care less if any of my posts showed up on the front page, I just want my content to be posted to relevant subs and be seen on some aggregate page on the site so that it's not missed.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The problem with Saidit is that average user interaction is low,

I can't speak to other alternatives, but I agree. I would hope for a more interactive community.

I have some ideas that might make this happen. Stay tuned.

The much better way and more common sense method of managing things is to allow unlimited posting, but make it much harder for a single user to dominate the front page in any meaningful sense. Allow everything to show up in /r/all, and don't be selective about which subs appear there.

This is a good idea too. I have many other variant ideas on how to curate the front page. All of them require technical skills I don't have.

I could care less if any of my posts showed up on the front page, I just want my content to be posted to relevant subs and be seen on some aggregate page on the site so that it's not missed.

I agree, for some things. Somethings deserve a chance to be promoted rather than just topically "filed away". The filing is important though - especially if we develop bridges to other sites like WikiSpooks or other music wikis or archives or whatever resources.

[–]christnmusicreleases 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

The main point here is to put as much power in the hands of the end user as possible. By empowering users, we can give them the ability to filter or control any content they want or don't want to see.

Only in the case of egregious abuse should users be banned or groups removed. I suppose you could remove certain groups from the front page that are known for extremely edgy content but not to the extend of deserving a site ban (which could be added back on a per-user basis by subscribing). The emphasis should be minimal moderation with effective filtering.

In the end, a good system will propel Saidit forward or relegate it to the fate of a dead site. You can't let it remain stale.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed! You sound like a big part of my MetaVote idea. Metatags and filters are key. Big data has it, but we don't - yet.

[–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You mean like hashtags? I kind of like how http://notabug.io works, where you can instantly create a sub just by posting. Problem is that site is flawed in moderation and voting mechanisms.

Honestly I just hate hard limits. The ability to create instant subs with no limitation is an amazing freedom (really it's just a form of hashtagging anyways). The fewer limits you impose, the greater your site came become. Also the more popular it can become if correctly implemented.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

You're not a shill but you're making yourself believe you are a victim of shill shaming.

Saidit turning into Reddit very quickly, in the same way when the CCP bought into it with ownership. Ever since then the moderation was overbearing, and free speech was crushed.

I respectfully disagree on so many levels. I understand that alt. Mossad waves feed such propaganda but saidit is plainly not what you say it has become or will it ever head in that direction.

Secondly, reddit's ownership and largest shareholders are Zionists such as Newhouse. The CCP nor ZioCons are going to bring saidit down. But if you feel a critique against you is akin to saidit's downfall then find a new place.

[–]christnmusicreleases 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The Chinese did buy out a percentage of Reddit, and that is when the hammer went down on /r/The_Donald and subsequently all subreddits later on. Henceforth Ruqqus exploded, Saidit grew, and Poal became known by the masses.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because it's just a matter of time is exactly why we NEED to consider our future. I have a concept that may solve MANY of our problems, with or without M7 - hopefully with. I'll be checking out for a couple days to draft it up as my first priority, after today's drama dies down.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Shills don't have to be paid, dude. You could be raised a shill, in fact, most people who buy into the left/right charade are shills.

[–]christnmusicreleases 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

Speaking from experience?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Yes, as would you if you would only wisen up. I was raised as a modern hardcore conservative christian, as I expect you were. You are Zionists and don't even recognize it. You are devil-worshipers and child mutilators. Good hearts, better than the left, this I cannot disagree with, and I am speaking from experience here. However, liberals shill and admit to it. You'll shill and deny it. You don't even realize how much of a Zionist Trump is because you fall for psychological ploys. That is a sign of a weak mind, one who will peddle bullshit even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

[–]christnmusicreleases 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

I'm anti-Zionist, pro-Palestinian, and wish Jews would give back the land they stole to the Palestinians.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Great. Did you vote for Trump?

[–]christnmusicreleases 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

No, I didn't. Nor did I vote for Biden, or Hillary, or Obama, or Bush, or Bill, or Bush Sr., or any of those pieces of trash.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So why have we argued many times concerning whether or not Trump would drain the swamp? Or concerning the two parties and their involvement in degrading modern society? Why do you post right-leaning posts that are in fact in support of QAnon theories or views? Why do you defend Trump? We have argued about these things many times, dude, and you've defended Trump every single time. Every. Single. Time.

Your main complaints are that he surrounded himself with Zionists, then you'd act as though that was just a mistake on his part, and not a willing decision. I am legitimately surprised to hear that you did not vote for Trump seeing as how many times we have argued about Trump and his lies concerning draining the swamp, but that is just as likely of a truth as socks not voting for Biden. Edit: Don't try and backpeddle, dude. You have defended him many times on this website. Have you recently come to grips with reality?

[–]christnmusicreleases 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not against Trump, I just didn't vote for him. I agree he didn't finish the job he started. And he made some bad appointments. And he has a bad stance on vaccines. He didn't do what he ought to have done. But he did do a lot of good pre-plandemic. If it weren't for the Wuhan Flu there's no way they could have stolen the election.

You seem to lack the sense that people can offer partial support, or constructive criticism. It's not a black and white thing here. Democrats are bad, RINOs are bad too. Most politicians are corrupt. It's just the reality of the world we live in. I don't think Trump is corrupt, I think he got intimidated by Deep State actors and maybe was threatened with a terrorist nuke or a personal threat to his family, which is probably why he stood down when they stole the election right in front of our faces.

Am I wrong in saying that you are a big supporter of pedophile Joe Biden?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

He didn't start anything except for more psy-ops, aimed at people like you. "I don't think Trump is corrupt." There we fucking have it, you denying reality, just like a Biden supporter. You don't become president with a slogan like "Drain the swamp." then go and get yourself intimidated. I don't care what you have to say on this, it is bungled.

Yes, you are wrong in saying that I support Biden. It is slander. I constantly tell people not to vote for either party, both online and in real life, and to oppose their selected faces. They are evil. We have had every election stolen in our face for years, Trump getting elected is the same deal. I don't buy into their manufactured consent like you do.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We all should be against Trump and Biden and all politicians (all Zionist puppets) on all sides in all nations. Trump was very corrupt before he even was elected.

You're obviously wrong if you think Earendil supports either Trump or Biden.