Saidit's 'free speech' is under attack from the new admin, who is of course a tranny. Check the moderation logs and see individual user posts to see what is being removed and ask yourself "is this level of censorship in line with saidit's rules, or are they serving a personal agenda'.

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Don't give up so soon. There are ways to figure things out that are more open and fair.

Sure, shills are a valid problem. Maybe filter out users under 8 months old, as it's come up that the STABs now date back that far. Then add a filter for rarely used accounts suddenly coming to life to vote. New folks will be disenfranchised but you'll have a more authentic number.

Yes, democracy is the tyranny of the majority. I still believe in worker cooperatives, a much lesser evil than unions or corporations.

I am against democracy for more important things on SaidIt. I would never want Chipit elected to the trusted-team, among others.

M7 could NOT have done it without D3.

Ask DioJr how benevolent he is.

We don't have unified allies. Quite the opposite.

You've lost me.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

We don't have unified allies. Quite the opposite.

You've lost me.

United we stand, etc.

I doubt Saidit could be considered united.

I doubt those selected as jurors would remain united after about a month.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

As I said elsewhere under this OP to M7:

" The older active problematic users like DioJr, the ABCs, and even me or christnmusicreleases if you so wish, deserve open transparent trials by a trusted-team with respected wisdom. You pick them, let people vote for them, or whatever. I respect folks like AXXA, christnmusicreleases, D3, DeWho, Fred, happysmash, Hibiki, jamesK, Jesus, Larry, M7, Musky, Orangutan, TAM, Tom, zyxzevn, and many more friends who aren't highlighted on /s/all right now that I know with varying degrees of certainty. Your list may be different than my short sample list here. Between them I'm quite sure your respected team can come to a conclusion with minimal drama in a timely fashion (NOT endless), save you the headache, and distribute the target and blame that's all on you now as judge, jury, and executioner. "

You are in that list of what I'd call good ones, even if of different character. Some I don't know as well as others and may need to be removed in time while others may be added by being worthy. Are there any in that list you would most likely not be civil with?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Are there any in that list you would most likely not be civil with?

It's not about that. It's about the effects of power/influence.

Also, no one actually knows anyone else. It's all forum personalities. Who's to say anyone is worthy.

M7 is about as measured and restrained as it gets.

Put aside your own visions for what the site could be, or make your own site.

Publicly pushing for changes to other people's site's in inherently destabilizing; especially given all of the STABS action recently.

The timing of all of this is interesting.

So many seemingly independent individuals and groups are all demanding changes at the same time.

I'm not a coincidence theorist.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's not about that. It's about the effects of power/influence.

It ISabout that, AND about self-regulating that power/influence.

The common users as well as the trusted-team would call each other's shit out and even dismiss team members who may seem to get drunk on power. Whether I were part of a team like that or not, I'd be more interested in watching how people wield their power to call it out. At present we can call out M7 but there's ZERO accountability - if we even know about what ever shit he's up to, for better or worse.

Also, no one actually knows anyone else. It's all forum personalities. Who's to say anyone is worthy.

Their history of actions and expressed views build up their case. Duh. Just like appraising shills. Of course a skeptic would know that anyone may falter at any time, even in power.

M7 is about as measured and restrained as it gets.

That's bullshit. He's moderately fair. He also has frequent meltdowns of irrationality, childish manipulations and deceptions, and even stoops to low blows when confronted.

Put aside your own visions for what the site could be, or make your own site.

I prolly shouldn't say this in the open before anything is certain, but it's already being seriously considered. PM me for more.

This could be the new slogan "We respectfully invite you to go fork yourself."

Publicly pushing for changes to other people's site's in inherently destabilizing; especially given all of the STABS action recently.

M7 owns this site but it's ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY that gives it life.

M7 chooses his policies like allowing anons, free-ish speech, exposing power, etc.
M7 chooses to be burdened rather than delegate responsibilities.
M7 chooses to take on all these difficult problems himself.
And he's even chosen not to ban me, for whatever good that may or may not do.

You're better than to support authoritarianism.

The timing of all of this is interesting.
So many seemingly independent individuals and groups are all demanding changes at the same time.

My issues with M7 are not new, and this is why the co-founder of SaidIt pulled out too, and how useless_aether was handled was the mess and last straw. I didn't see all of it like he did, and I don't like it either but at least I saw a bit of how he was sliding. I was not willing to die on that hill. I have zero evidence DioJr was a problem, just hearsay which is largely opinion for better or worse. DioJr is the catalyst martyr to push for the change and evolution we will be needing to survive the future.

I'm not a coincidence theorist.

Me either. The big conspiracies like the Great Reset and Agenda 21 and the Trillion$ in bailouts are funding the war of censorship and oppression and will get worse in the future towards 2030. The food crises will only make things worse and desperate people will be STABs for a steady paycheck.

Because many people align to ask (or demand like morons) for things at the same time doesn't necessarily mean it's a conspiracy. Many may be connected. It may also indicate that serious reform is critically necessary. IMO, it's been LOOOOOOOOOOONG overdue.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

childish manipulations and deceptions, and even stoops to low blows when confronted.

I read it and didn't see any low blows.

In fact, I agree. If people are becoming emotional about this site then they should take a break.

This could be the new slogan "We respectfully invite you to go fork yourself."

I love it.
Maybe meme this with the Silence of the Lambs scene where the killer is looking in the mirror and telling himself, "I'd fork me so hard!".

Seriously though. I agree with him.
Nobody has the right to commandeer this site from him. Community, or otherwise.

"Community" commandeering is literally a communist coup.

Please take a step back, and consider what you're pushing for.

M7 chooses to take on all these difficult problems himself. And he's even chosen not to ban me, for whatever good that may or may not do.

That's his prerogative.

Because many people align to ask (or demand like morons) for things at the same time doesn't necessarily mean it's a conspiracy.

Of course it doesn't.

Many may be connected. It may also indicate that serious reform is critically necessary.

These community's have political conflict in the best of times.
Particularly, when the emphasis is critical thinking, and debate.

The odds of tam being trans, and volunteering as an admin to help, and the ice storm fiasco, and the influx of GC related groups is beyond improbable.

Each one of these is a less than 1% likelihood IMO.
4 : 1% events ~ 0.00000001 or 0.000001%

It stinks of M7 being set up.

A site destabilization attack is in full swing, and you're exacerbating the severity.

Hurry up and make your forking site.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I read it and didn't see any low blows.

I've been very open about my mood issues and history of trying anti-depressants. Some mental illnesses are like this and others are related to cognitive abilities. Many misconceptions abound about mental illnesses and too many people think you're just mental if you have any issues at all - as if being morbidly obese or quadriplegic of a sprained ankle are equivalent "physical health" issues.

Like bringing up the fact of someone's sexuality, race, or other physical limitations or attributes, he brought that up, to shame, insult, or belittle my legitimate issues - that he's still avoided. That is a low blow. It might have rocked me years ago while recovering, but I now have my balls of titanium back and no matter how much M7 want's to play with my balls as is obvious, they won't budge for him as he's clearly not my type. He can eat a bag of ticks with Lyme disease for all I care.

In fact, I agree. If people are becoming emotional about this site then they should take a break.

LOL. Don't fall for his bullshit shill-like tactics. Just because he calls me emotional doesn't make it true.

This could be the new slogan "We respectfully invite you to go fork yourself." I love it.

D3 want's to have SaidIt be available as a download backup. M7 hasn't done that yet, nor do I expect he ever will. Decentralizing his power is not in his ego's interest. Further, while he's federated with NotABug he may not with me or others. There are no guarantees a fork, instance, or other site would even have a chance, even if I wanted to put all my other ideas on hold to try.

Seriously though. I agree with him.

As is your prerogative. In all things or specifics? Care to elaborate? I trust you and your opinion far more than the other asstolls and kissasses who've chimed in against me. Others have supported me too.

Nobody has the right to commandeer this site from him. Community, or otherwise.

I've NEVER advocated for taking the site away from M7 nor demanded he resign - EVER.

I've only persisted in asking for improvements and evolution under his oversight. And I've persisted in calling out his obvious shit - manipulations, deceptions, hypocrisy, stooping, and lies - which thankfully don't happen too often (as far as I'm aware). The more I see his stubbornness the more I'm convinced its a shield to hide his technical inadequacies.

"Community" commandeering is literally a communist coup.

That's bullshit and you know it. I'm not calling for a tyranny by democracy. If you fucking read anything I posted you'd know I'm calling for him to create his own trusted-team to help him be more fair and effective and accountable. Cooperation is NOT communism.

Please take a step back, and consider what you're pushing for.

I know exactly what I'm pushing for, as I have been for years.

M7 chooses to take on all these difficult problems himself. And he's even chosen not to ban me, for whatever good that may or may not do.
That's his prerogative.

Agreed. I don't envy his burdens, and I'm not stupid enough to take them on and play victim all the time without delegating responsibilities or doing much at all about it. He brings this drama on himself (and often fuels it, regardless of his claims to the contrary). Obviously, I'm not the only oppositional "drama".

The odds of tam being trans, and volunteering as an admin to help, and the ice storm fiasco, and the influx of GC related groups is beyond improbable.

Elsewhere under this OP, M7 declared that he wasn't aware of TAM's situation, though TAM's first post clearly stated it (I don't think I saw it). I don't care what TAM is or is not, and I suspect that if M7 knew about it he'd avoid making an admin of a controversial type of person who's inexperienced at only 18 years old. I think TAM is a good one despite having some issues and some wisdom lacking. If anything, is shows that M7 was desperate for help. I'm glad for both of them.

ALL of the refugees, from TheDonald, O&A, IP2, GC, LXXX, etc. are the direct result of Reddit censorship. It's neither a coincidence nor a conspiracy. It's a side effect of the global totalitarian culture war to distract from the class war waged on all citizens by the ruling class and their corporatocracy.

It stinks of M7 being set up.

"Set up" is not the phrase I'd use. Yes, SaidIt is a target, indirectly via the censorship-induced influx of "undesirables", as well as whatever STABs are being well funded by Dems, GOP, Israel, think tanks, etc.

A site destabilization attack is in full swing,

That's not new.

and you're exacerbating the severity.

I cannot deny this.

I'm also certain there is no good time to protest. Even if things were chill and I were to raise these issues, you, M7, and others would call me a shit disturber and accuse me of trying to ruin SaidIt.

As Jimmy Dore goes on about - you don't wait until after the guy's been elected to make demands of him, and you don't wait until there's a good time for universal healthcare (certainly not until after the pandemic). It's ALWAYS time to act and evolve and improve things.

I'm hoping to also educate people by example about how shitty the LXXX/MoronLeft protests are by contrasting with my own "better" protests - AND critically importantly, being open to feedback and improvements. But most of all I'm also trying to show that those asstrolls have some very legitimate issues among their absurd demands.

I'm very well aware this extra drama does not look good on me to all people, especially those who are authoritarians, who accept that their boss is able to exploit them, and who think that site ownership means they own the community that MANY MANY MANY others put time and effort into building, and would be just be an empty shell without the people - like an empty sub.

As I usually do, I've been using formatting with italics and bold. Do I seem emotional? I'm not. M7 is full of shit.

Hurry up and make your forking site.

It's not that simple. Also, after these messages stop trickling in I'll share a post. I DO value your opinion highly, but maybe wait a little to respond.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Watch out for that Node character.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, he's just one node in a cluster of trouble.

You're among my /s/friends too! I would have included you if I'd seen you highlighted in red on /s/all or in that thread as I did them. There are many many many more insightful folks who have earned their way into my /s/friends list. They are the good ones. Some I know better than others. And even a handful who have earned their way off it.