DiscussionMatt Walsh

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[–]chazzstrong 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

He's definitely Conservative to the core...however I think he doesn't want gay marriage for the same reason people, such as myself, don't want it: marriage is a religious institution, and most biblical texts for any religion are fairly straight-forward ( hah! ) on the idea of same-sex marriage. He also wants government out of marriage, and it handled entirely by the church which is how I think it is supposed to be.

This is what I mean when I say it's a weird position for us...to be aligned against the progressive gender identity you end up on the side of right-leaning people and conservatives which, as someone who is LGB, is an awkward and precarious position to be in.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Well, that's not what Walsh was saying about marriage. He was claiming that marriage is all about procreation and that because the gays can't have their own biological children, we shouldn't be able to get married. But then, what about my straight friends who got married only to find out the wife is infertile and can never bear children? Should their marriage then be nullified?

We slogged through every permutation of ALL those arguments exhaustively in the 90s and the 00s. Gay people made their case to the point where 55% of Republicans support it and 87% of Democrats. The Respect for Marriage bill passed the Senate 62-37 with 12 Republicans voting for it. Walsh is saying that they should all be kicked out of the Republican Party, so what about the 55% of Republicans overall who support it? Should they be kicked out, too?

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Agreed. I saw his "reproductionist" arguments, and I didn't think they were sound; They collapse under the most preliminary of prodding.

I think he's a smart guy, but also an ideologue, which tends to decrease one's apparent intelligence rather reliably.

Disappointing, but I appreciate his What Is a Woman film and his 'Small Talk' video anyway.

[–]JulienMayfair[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One thing I remember clearly from the 1990s is that the word 'marriage,' for a certain percentage of people who were extremely attached to their sentimental concept of marriage, made them go completely bonkers. They totally stopped making sense, and they didn't care.

I read one talking about some "original meaning of marriage." So if you go back in history, you're talking about daughters basically being property you traded to someone for marriage as a form of alliance -- or women as property in general.

[–]Newzok 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole whether you can procreate or not debate was a little frustrating, all the while I was thinking, 'but they can adopt and take care of a child who otherwise wouldn't have anyone, which is a net positive', and that applies to both sterile straight and gay marriages.

[–]Vulptex 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's extremely suspicious how lately it's always the religious traditionalists who get power in the GOP when most of the party isn't on board with that (or at least wasn't until the George Floyd incident). It's almost like they're controlled opposition. That might be why the elites were so infuriated when Donald Trump won in 2016, because he's the one person whose strings they can't pull.

[–]Vulptex 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's extremely suspicious how lately it's always the religious traditionalists who get power in the GOP when most of the party isn't on board with that (or at least wasn't until the George Floyd incident). It's almost like they're controlled opposition. That might be why the elites were so infuriated when Donald Trump won in 2016, because he's the one person whose strings they can't pull.

[–]picklesarnie 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Being married provides legal rights regarding your partnership with your spouse. Not just financial security. I've read many heartbreaking cases were one partner of a gay couple was on their deathbed in hospital, and the homophobic family of the dying person banned their partner from being at their bedside. Being married ensures the legal right to stay by your dying partner. It doesn't have to be in church.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Someone I am aware of on the Booktube part of Youtube is an enby-identifying gay man and went through the same thing this year when his enby-identifying fiancé died. The mother and brother of the deceased used the situation to scam the gay man into paying for a funeral that was already covered just so they could pocket money.

Despite both men being self-hating, this is why marriage rights are important (and why I wouldn't settle for unions). Making sure every nook and cranny of the law keeps us and our loved ones from being treated like chattel from exploitative family members after we die is important to me. If I get married and die young, I don't want my husband to get fucked over by my mother (the same woman who had me correctively raped, who kept my legal documents locked in a vault I had no access to, and who gets enabled by everyone else).

[–]picklesarnie 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I don't understand why people say it's just a piece of paper. Every legal document is a piece of paper. The deeds to your house are just a piece of paper, etc.

I think some people just think it's about getting to use the word husband or wife. But it's basically a legal document ensuring certain rights.

[–]CaptainMooseEx-Bathhouse Employee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, too, most same-sex attracted people are not legal scholars. Sure, we have those among us who worked tirelessly to find ways to argue for our rights (employment non-discrimination, housing, marriage, etc.), but most of us are going to be laypeople if we ever have to create a will/living will. There will for sure be some loophole that we aren't aware of that can be played against us/our lover. Or a loophole that could be put into a civil union that most people ignore because it doesn't affect them the way marriage does.