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[–]justagaydude123[S] 23 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

I feel bad for the truscum, I really do. I think we have more in common than we'd like to realize.

Honestly, if it wasn't such a mouthful, I'd like it if we were really LGBDropTheTucutesAGPsFujoshisandTrenders because although I disagree with them in some aspects, there's a lot of stuff in /r/truscum that I think most here would agree with. Namely, the co-opting of "queer" identities by bored straight people is terrible for both our communities.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 51 insightful - 1 fun51 insightful - 0 fun52 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Better not. I do understand where you're coming from, but although they do seem to hold some similar views, they still hold very... Weird stanpoints on "being cisgender vs being trans". For example, I remember once that I read there that they said that a full OP trans person is literally, exactly the same as a cisgender person. So.... Nah. Better just to stick to same sex attraction, because being trans is just so different.

[–]8bitgay 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I think many truscums believe in some sort of special threshold where the rule changes. If someone doesn't even try to pass as the opposite sex they agree with us: LG people won't feel attracted to these people. This at least is a more sane view than what TRAs in general believe.

But many truscums (though not all) believe that at some point this isn't true anymore. To them, if you transition enough and pass enough, then LG people have no reason to not feel attracted.

Still, overall I think we can at least have discussions with truscums, try to present our points, reason with them, etc. But if they dislike what TRAs do, if they dislike tucutes so much... Then they should be vocal about it. I know that truscums are often despised in LGBTQ+ communities but if they were more vocal it'd be harder to ignore them. People who dismiss everything we say because we're "cis" can't as easily dismiss them.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used to feel exactly the same as you, especially because I'm old enough to remember when transsexuals were just gay men withdysphoria who transitioned into women and tried to just live quiet lives. They didn't demand that the whole world play make-believe with them that they are real women. We all understood that they are men who have been physically altered to look like women and they accepted this reality.

This new breed of truscum is too much infected with transgender ideas. A lot of MTF on that sub believe that they have "ladybrains" which are different from male brains. They believe a lot of things that sound scientific on face value but haven't really been proven.

The other thing is that despite how much they complain about the transgenders, they are like that annoying parent in the restaurant or store who just lets their toddler run around and scream and make everyone miserable and they do nothing to stop it. They just sit back and let the transgenders bulldoze their way into women's spaces and LGB spaces, and then after the dust settles, they come in and reap the rewards.

But yes, I do feel sad that there are human beings out there that have a legit mental illness that causes them to want to literally kill themselves because they feel like they are the wrong sex, and meanwhile there are perverts and bored teenage girls out there pretending to be trans and making it all about themselves. Like there are actual human beings suffering from this mental illness, but the transgenders are more likely to call those people transphobes than to show any sort of empathy or sense of brotherhood/sisterhood towards them. That's the part that really makes me sick.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Don't feel bad for them, they are (actually) homophobic, sexist, and anti-intersex. They are much more dangerous than other trans because they use psuedoscience that seems believable at first pass to get their way, and are more likely to change laws & influence society than idiot kids identifying as stargender.

[–]reluctant_commenter 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They are much more dangerous than other trans because they use psuedoscience that seems believable at first pass to get their way

Yup. Can't count how many people I've heard suggest that a trans-identified male has the "brain of a woman" and vice versa. That effect disappears when controlling for homosexuality... which just circles back to the good ol' "a gay man is just a woman in a man's body" and vice versa. Fuck that.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Truscum pressured or """heavily suggested""" I was trans because I "seemed to have a girl brain" and was gay. OH and a lot of the fuckers claim that "being trans is an intersex condition of the brain" and force their way into our communities.

[–]reluctant_commenter 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's disgusting. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that bullshit. That is sexist and homophobic and bigoted against intersex people.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Trans ideology is all pseudo-science in the first place, doesn't matter if there are "good ones". They still hold many of the same ideals and are highly sexist, homo/biphobic and anti-intersex as you said. It's stupid that the T even say "well if intersex people exist then trans people can..." No. Stop. One is biological occurence and the other is a fairy tale ideology.

I'm tired of people defending trans ideology because there's "cool" trans people who say what they want to hear---that doesn't make it better. If these "cool" trans people believed in biology, they wouldn't be lying and calling themselves by the opposite sex.

I detransitioned many years back and had terrible gender dysphoria. It fucking sucked. I somehow managed past it---these people need therapy or so something to work it out because it's not normal to take dangerous hormones or saw off perfectly functioning body parts and morph it into "neo" genitals.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I kinda agree. And the people who simply identify as something are less likely to convince a child to hijack their puberty and screw up their bodies forever then the people who actually did those things to their own bodies or wanted to. One problem can be solved once society as a whole gets wise to trenders. The other one can have repercussions for decades.

[–]Taln_Reich 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I actually agree. If it were still/again the truscum in charge of the T, I would see less to no reason to drop it, since my issues with the trans community boil down to three points (1.) "no means no" - e.g. cotton ceiling/boxer ceiling type rhetoric is not acceptable 2.) "hands of kids" - I'm rather quezy about medical transitioning for under 16 year olds 3.) "don't let strangers in" - you need dysphoria to be trans, e.g. the truscum viewpoint)

[–]just_lesbian_things 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, truscums are the not-like-the-other-girls of the trans world. They are worse than the average trans person imo because they're so spiteful of their own community. Why would I want to be in the same group as someone who looks down on his own community? They're all ~identity~ types, whether they like it or not. Truscums only dislike the rest because they feel themselves deserving of special treatment. They're even more narcissistic.

[–]usehername 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

At least most tucutes admit that their gender identities aren't based on anything and basically believe in gendered "souls". Truscum/transmeds endorse "brain sex" and the idea that gender roles are innate. Blaire White made a video explaining this ridiculous idea, and if you're having trouble sitting through it, Magdalen Burns made a great response debunking it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTqmaD1R2jo

[–]Taln_Reich 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

For truscum/transmedicalists "brain sex"/"gender identity" and gender roles are different things, and being gender non conforming alone doesn't make someone trans and someone can be "tru trans" and gender nonconforming (relative to the gender the person identifies as). Regarding the video: magdalen Burns is conflating "gender" in the sense of "gender roles" and "gender" in the sense of "gender identity". The truscum position is, that gender roles are socially constructed, while gender identity is inate and biological.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Okay, then please define "gender identity" as a truscum/transmed would see it.

[–]Taln_Reich 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ok, as far as I understood it, it is basically like this: the Idea is, that the brain has essentially some conception of what sex the body is supposed to have in terms of hormone levels and physical sexed characteristics, which, for the vast majority of people (non-transgender people, called "cisgender") alligns with the sex of the body. Now, when it doesn't allign (which it does for transgender people), this incongurance of hormone levels and sexed characteristics causes a state of distress termed "gender dysphoria", which is remediated by artifically alligning the hormone levels and sexed characteristics of the physical body to the ones the body is "supposed to have" according to this conception.

In one post on the r/truscum subreddit, this was actually extended to non-transgender people who, for whatever reason loose or gain sexed characteristics incongurent with their sex, say, man with Gynecomastia or women who must undergo a Mastectomy due to breast cancer (it's this post https://www.reddit.com/r/truscum/comments/klum1b/gd_in_cis_people_after_loss_of_secondaryprimary/ ).

[–]usehername 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay, so it's based on the personal belief that one should have a different sexed body, including secondary sex characteristics and hormone levels, and distress relating to the fact that they do not have that? "Brain sex" has been disproven, with the only differences found to be consistent being the similarities between the hippocampus in heterosexual women and homosexual men, and heterosexual men and homosexual women. To me, this clearly points to sexuality being the key difference here, not "brain sex"/"gender identity". It is also my understanding that truscum/transmeds tend to ascribe gender roles to biology, thereby conflating the two. Also, what is the explanation for non-binary here? The truscum subreddit seems to welcome them, but I've heard truscum/transmeds dismiss them. For example, in the video I linked, Blaire says that women are biologically hardwired to look attractive to men. Performing feminine beauty rituals is part of the female gender role. Also, do you personally subscribe to this definition and if so, would you consider Blaire White "true trans" and if not, could you point me to someone you do? I'd like an example. If you don't subscribe to this ideology, this question is irrelevant.

[–]Taln_Reich 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay, so it's based on the personal belief that one should have a different sexed body, including secondary sex characteristics and hormone levels, and distress relating to the fact that they do not have that? "Brain sex" has been disproven, with the only differences found to be consistent being the similarities between the hippocampus in heterosexual women and homosexual men, and heterosexual men and homosexual women. To me, this clearly points to sexuality being the key difference here, not "brain sex"/"gender identity".

I'm not qualified to make statements regarding this.

It is also my understanding that truscum/transmeds tend to ascribe gender roles to biology, thereby conflating the two.

Never seen that on r/truscum.

. Also, what is the explanation for non-binary here? The truscum subreddit seems to welcome them, but I've heard truscum/transmeds dismiss them

Well, r/truscum actually disaproves of the notion that truscum believe that there isn't such a thing as "non-binary". The explanation for that is viewed, though the lens of the brain-sex-theory, as an "in-between" of the brain sex between the two binary states.

*For example, in the video I linked, Blaire says that women are biologically hardwired to look attractive to men. Performing feminine beauty rituals is part of the female gender role. *

For one, Blaire White does not speak for every truscum. For two, even if there is a biological basis for some gender roles, it's not so much based on a "hardwiring" and more on a tendency, and further, dependent on the culture in question.

would you consider Blaire White "true trans"

Blaire White has talked quite a bit about having had gender dysphoria before transitioning, so I am inclined to believe that she did have gender dysphoria (Disclaimer: Taln Reich is not a certified medical professional. Statements by Taln Reich regarding medical conditions are not valid diagnosis and should not be considered as such. This Disclaimer applies especially regarding diagnosises of people Taln Reich has never met in Person) which, acording to truscum aproach, would make her "true trans"

[–]usehername 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, I see that Blaire White does not believe in the truscum/transmed ideology detailed in r/truscum, whether the ideology has changed or he never believed in the stuff on r/truscum anyway, I'm not sure. He transitioned after being abused by his religious conservative family, who now accept him a little more, but was always an extremely effeminate gay man. Thanks for the clarification. It's my pet peeve when ideologues make up definitions for words that already have them, but I still want to understand what they're talking about. Also, since Blaire doesn't believe in truscum/transmed ideology, I was right when I said he is conflating "brain sex"/"gender identity" with gender roles, because they are the same to him, even if truscum/transmeds believe differently. It's also my understanding that Blaire considers himself "true trans" and disparages "transtrenders". Also, Magdalen was being factually correct, seeing as she used the word "gender", which has the attributes masculine and feminine, as well as the terms "gender roles" and "gender identity" in the correct context by definition.

[–]Taln_Reich 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't say Blaire White doesn't believe in the truscum ideology. The truscum ideology, in itself, consists only of one thing "You need gender dysphoria to be trans". Anything further than that are merely the personal stances of the differing people who have that particular ideology. I mean, communists don't agree on everything about communism either.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

[–]Taln_Reich 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/truscum/comments/kqqqvz/cis_person_trying_to_educate_myself_have_i_got/ might be helpfull, as actual truscum transgender people are obviously better at explaining their point of view than I am.

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks.