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[–]usehername 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

At least most tucutes admit that their gender identities aren't based on anything and basically believe in gendered "souls". Truscum/transmeds endorse "brain sex" and the idea that gender roles are innate. Blaire White made a video explaining this ridiculous idea, and if you're having trouble sitting through it, Magdalen Burns made a great response debunking it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTqmaD1R2jo

[–]Taln_Reich 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

For truscum/transmedicalists "brain sex"/"gender identity" and gender roles are different things, and being gender non conforming alone doesn't make someone trans and someone can be "tru trans" and gender nonconforming (relative to the gender the person identifies as). Regarding the video: magdalen Burns is conflating "gender" in the sense of "gender roles" and "gender" in the sense of "gender identity". The truscum position is, that gender roles are socially constructed, while gender identity is inate and biological.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Okay, then please define "gender identity" as a truscum/transmed would see it.

[–]Taln_Reich 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ok, as far as I understood it, it is basically like this: the Idea is, that the brain has essentially some conception of what sex the body is supposed to have in terms of hormone levels and physical sexed characteristics, which, for the vast majority of people (non-transgender people, called "cisgender") alligns with the sex of the body. Now, when it doesn't allign (which it does for transgender people), this incongurance of hormone levels and sexed characteristics causes a state of distress termed "gender dysphoria", which is remediated by artifically alligning the hormone levels and sexed characteristics of the physical body to the ones the body is "supposed to have" according to this conception.

In one post on the r/truscum subreddit, this was actually extended to non-transgender people who, for whatever reason loose or gain sexed characteristics incongurent with their sex, say, man with Gynecomastia or women who must undergo a Mastectomy due to breast cancer (it's this post https://www.reddit.com/r/truscum/comments/klum1b/gd_in_cis_people_after_loss_of_secondaryprimary/ ).

[–]usehername 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay, so it's based on the personal belief that one should have a different sexed body, including secondary sex characteristics and hormone levels, and distress relating to the fact that they do not have that? "Brain sex" has been disproven, with the only differences found to be consistent being the similarities between the hippocampus in heterosexual women and homosexual men, and heterosexual men and homosexual women. To me, this clearly points to sexuality being the key difference here, not "brain sex"/"gender identity". It is also my understanding that truscum/transmeds tend to ascribe gender roles to biology, thereby conflating the two. Also, what is the explanation for non-binary here? The truscum subreddit seems to welcome them, but I've heard truscum/transmeds dismiss them. For example, in the video I linked, Blaire says that women are biologically hardwired to look attractive to men. Performing feminine beauty rituals is part of the female gender role. Also, do you personally subscribe to this definition and if so, would you consider Blaire White "true trans" and if not, could you point me to someone you do? I'd like an example. If you don't subscribe to this ideology, this question is irrelevant.

[–]Taln_Reich 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Okay, so it's based on the personal belief that one should have a different sexed body, including secondary sex characteristics and hormone levels, and distress relating to the fact that they do not have that? "Brain sex" has been disproven, with the only differences found to be consistent being the similarities between the hippocampus in heterosexual women and homosexual men, and heterosexual men and homosexual women. To me, this clearly points to sexuality being the key difference here, not "brain sex"/"gender identity".

I'm not qualified to make statements regarding this.

It is also my understanding that truscum/transmeds tend to ascribe gender roles to biology, thereby conflating the two.

Never seen that on r/truscum.

. Also, what is the explanation for non-binary here? The truscum subreddit seems to welcome them, but I've heard truscum/transmeds dismiss them

Well, r/truscum actually disaproves of the notion that truscum believe that there isn't such a thing as "non-binary". The explanation for that is viewed, though the lens of the brain-sex-theory, as an "in-between" of the brain sex between the two binary states.

*For example, in the video I linked, Blaire says that women are biologically hardwired to look attractive to men. Performing feminine beauty rituals is part of the female gender role. *

For one, Blaire White does not speak for every truscum. For two, even if there is a biological basis for some gender roles, it's not so much based on a "hardwiring" and more on a tendency, and further, dependent on the culture in question.

would you consider Blaire White "true trans"

Blaire White has talked quite a bit about having had gender dysphoria before transitioning, so I am inclined to believe that she did have gender dysphoria (Disclaimer: Taln Reich is not a certified medical professional. Statements by Taln Reich regarding medical conditions are not valid diagnosis and should not be considered as such. This Disclaimer applies especially regarding diagnosises of people Taln Reich has never met in Person) which, acording to truscum aproach, would make her "true trans"

[–]usehername 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Okay, I see that Blaire White does not believe in the truscum/transmed ideology detailed in r/truscum, whether the ideology has changed or he never believed in the stuff on r/truscum anyway, I'm not sure. He transitioned after being abused by his religious conservative family, who now accept him a little more, but was always an extremely effeminate gay man. Thanks for the clarification. It's my pet peeve when ideologues make up definitions for words that already have them, but I still want to understand what they're talking about. Also, since Blaire doesn't believe in truscum/transmed ideology, I was right when I said he is conflating "brain sex"/"gender identity" with gender roles, because they are the same to him, even if truscum/transmeds believe differently. It's also my understanding that Blaire considers himself "true trans" and disparages "transtrenders". Also, Magdalen was being factually correct, seeing as she used the word "gender", which has the attributes masculine and feminine, as well as the terms "gender roles" and "gender identity" in the correct context by definition.

[–]Taln_Reich 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I wouldn't say Blaire White doesn't believe in the truscum ideology. The truscum ideology, in itself, consists only of one thing "You need gender dysphoria to be trans". Anything further than that are merely the personal stances of the differing people who have that particular ideology. I mean, communists don't agree on everything about communism either.

[–]usehername 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Got it. Thanks for clarifying.

[–]Taln_Reich 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/truscum/comments/kqqqvz/cis_person_trying_to_educate_myself_have_i_got/ might be helpfull, as actual truscum transgender people are obviously better at explaining their point of view than I am.

[–]usehername 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks.