It's honestly kind of annoying annoying when people lump every type of issue into "LGBT+" even when it only concerns a specific subset

submitted by FediNetizenSuper-semi-bisexual (i.e. straight) from self.LGBDropTheT

I had this thought when I stumbled across this amusing meme on Reddit. Obviously, AIDS wasn't killing "LGBTQ". It was killing Gay Men by and large, with only a handful of deaths among the other "letters".

There are plenty of other examples, like how that survey came out claiming "LGBTQ+ acceptance" is going down among young people, but really it's just young people rejecting this new TQ+ radicalism. People need to understand that these really are different demographics with different and unique issues that need to be addressed.

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[–]julesburm1891 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Absolutely. It makes sense to talk about LGB people as a whole when you’re a) referring to all same-sex attracted people and b) campaigning for specific legal and social measures to benefit same-sex attracted people.* There’s no reason to obfuscate the specific groups impacted by certain events or to use a collective term for individuals.

I maintain there’s *no scenario where it makes sense to refer to all same-sex attracted people and to trans people.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What if they're 'same-sex attracted' trans? Now, I still stand by the idea that being trans and gay/lesbian is just straight with extra steps, but it's hard to explain that to people who don't understand how trans people can possibly not be what they say they are.

That's one issue we're going to have to straighten out if we manage to drop the T. The whole idea of LGB is that LGB only refers people who are same sex attracted, but then we're going to get transbians and gay trans men saying that they're gay too and that they want a spot, and then this whole thing starts all over again.

[–]reluctant_commenter 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What if they're 'same-sex attracted' trans?

Then you could just say "same-sex attracted" and those people would be included.

And that works if you make sure that "sex" MEANS "sex", as in actual physiological reality. The only reason we are in this problem is because gender ideologists are pushing the anti-factual claims that:

  • there are more than 2 sexes

  • being trans changes your sexuality

edit: Specifically, by that second point, I mean the suggestion that sexual orientation is based upon attraction to "gender in one's soul" as opposed to sex or sex characteristics that serve as a proxy for sex-- and thus that when you change "gender in one's soul" then your sexual orientation also changes (when really, nothing has changed except some outward presentation, at most).

[–]poijqwefpoij 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are people on the left that are trying to turn everything into the Borg from star trek. You can't be in an atheist sub without being a political activist. I would describe it as anti-idiosyncrasy extremism. You can't simply "not-support" a single idea of these groups; not-caring is an offense, let alone disagree with them.

[–]reluctant_commenter 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That is blatant erasure. Full stop.

I don't see how people see this as a sign of progress, or of being inclusive. If people stopped to think, for even one second, before perpetuating that kind of statement, maybe they would realize how disingenuous it is. Then again, if people did any sort of honest reflection, they probably wouldn't go around saying stuff like "gender is innate and immutable" and "everyone is bisexual"...

[–]macaron 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's beginning to seem really f*ckIng dumb that LGBT comes lumped all together all the time.

The T has ridden so hard on LGB accpetance. Shove it off the train.

[–]MisandryFTW 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

When my partner introduced me to her parents and came out of the closet their reaction was concern she would get AIDS, despite us both being women, in a monogamous relationship, both negative, and practicing safe sex. They kept telling her to "be careful" because they didn't really understand anything but thought AIDS spontaneously arose from acting gay, so the more gay you acted the better chance of suddenly getting AIDS. They were also concerned she would be running around pride topless in a feather boa and fishnets. Her dad kept asking her how lesbian sex even worked, and she kept changing the subject. They also thought they would have to start using different pronouns with her and she'd get surgery to become a man.

For a lot of uninformed people the whole thing gets lumped together with the worst things that are present in the media affecting how they see other members of the community. I hate to say it but lesbians don't really fit in with the rest very well. We're underrepresented but we also just want to be left alone. We want equal rights and to not be raped or forced to be with men.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

How many kids do you have now?

[–]MisandryFTW 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

None, why?

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just curious

[–]supersmokio6420 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They were doing this with politicians after the election. All the gay and lesbian politicians were described as "X location elects LGBTQ+ representative", but the trans-identified ones got described as specifically being trans.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Queer" and "LGBTQ+" make no sense in most contexts, lol. If there is no 1 common factor among members of a group, there is no community.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep I posted about this same issue using this same topic as an example the other day with an article discussing how uniquely vulnerable "LGBTQ people" are to the coronavirus, when the point was just that many gay/bi men are immunocompromised by HIV/AIDS. Yet the whole article spends time being as indirect and vague as possible.