DiscussionIsn't the TQ+ movement just a cultural trend that will die out by itself?

submitted by Yougie from self.LGBDropTheT

Just dropping a somewhat controversial thought here, but isn't the TQ+ movement just another subculture that pops up and goes just like we have seen in the past couple of centuries? Think about the goths, that were often people that ''don't seem to fit in''. Struggling with their identity, and these ''goths'' of today have found themselves a new label: ''non binary'' or ''trans'' in order to distinct themselves from the general public.

Isn't it just what we have seen many times before, and won't it just die out by itself?

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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 48 insightful - 4 fun48 insightful - 3 fun49 insightful - 4 fun -  (5 children)

It will but it will take a while. Gen Z's children will definitely be like "WTF were you guys doing???" 20 years from now, and they will probably be one of the most conservative generations in recent history.

In the 1920's there was flappers and illegal alcohol, and being LGB was something the really cool people did, and they were all just wild rebels who partied and had sex all the time. And then the crash happened, and the 30's people calmed the fuck down again. 30's-early 60's was a calm and conservative time (I mean... for white people anyway.)

In the 60's hippies and drugs and 'free love' was how we remember them, the 70's were called "the me generation" because children who grew up in that era grew up to be selfish fucks who just do cocaine and fuck (yes, I'm generalizing, hope this doesn't hurt anyone's fee-fees. Of course entire generations can't be summed up completely with just one sentence, I'm just trying to paint a picture with extremely broad strokes.) And the kids who had to endure the parents of the 60's and 70's ended up becoming conservative and uptight in the 80's.

This shit goes in waves, but this is the first time the internet is involved, and the internet has created one massive fuck of an echo-chamber so that's why I say this one is going to last longer and be more brutal.

I can give you a first hand account of another internet fad that took off in the mid/late 90's just as the internet was becoming accessible to normies for the first time, and that's Pro-Ana/Pro-Mia (eating disorders.) Anorexia was already a hot topic for teen girls before the internet because the media kept wanking about it by making sexy little movies about skinny teenage white girls. Every time a new movie would air, a whole new flood of teenage girls would want to try out the ana diet. And when the internet arrived, it became our perfect echo chamber where we could share tips and compete with each other and see who could get the thinnest without dying. Those that died (or faked their deaths) became like our saints. And if you search online, you will still find pro-ed sites out there, there are even some subs left here on Reddit. But the 2000 decade was really the pro-ana decade. Everyone had an eating disorder, and if they didn't have an ED, they had depression, or bipolar, or aspergers. Everyone was all about self-diagnosing.

People are still self-diagnosing and attention seeking and I don't think that will ever change but I do feel like, at least for the teenage girls, becoming "gay boy" FTM has replaced eating disorders as the big trend. For the "lesbian" men, we know this is a completely different beast fueled by porn addiction and chronic cum-brainitis. So... With the teenage girls, I see most of them cycling out of it and detransing in the next 5-7 years, but with the grown men, I don't have enough information/experience to make any sort of guess. My gut it telling me when porn destroys someone's brain to such a degree that they are putting on dresses and threatening strangers with violence, this is serious mental trauma that may never go away.

Sorry I'm babbling and incoherent. I couldn't sleep last night. Feel free to add to or correct anything.

[–]BraveAndStunningTERF 35 insightful - 2 fun35 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Not before they permanently damage the LGB community.

[–]zeusdx1118 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel like that sentence could've been said accurately in many conversations at many points in time throughout human history. LGB people are always humanity's punching bag.

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 33 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This one will end in a waive of lawsuits and a lot of pain, especially for all the gay and lesbian children being transed by their woke parents

[–]artetolife 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I equate it to the satanic panic stuff in the 80s. Utter madness that somehow went mainstream.

[–]chazzstrong 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, I USED to think that, but honestly it's only getting more and more prominent.
And maybe I was thinking in inches when I should have been thinking in miles, but it feels awfully tense and lonely out here in the sane world, and this shit is still gaining traction.
This is why I have become such a whole-hearted supporter of JK Rowling because her actually seeing the real struggle and speaking out with her platform is a very important thing even if I still don't agree with a lot of her other stances.

[–]Ossidiana 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh yes, it will definitely die out by itself. All social madness periods eventually do. The questions are not if it will end, but: when, how, and at what cost.

[–]Feather 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think that feeling secure in this awareness is one of the benefits of being older (or at least an attentive student of history). When you've seen all sorts of frenzies gripping a society come and go, and observe that it was like that well before you were even born, it's not possible to fear that a movement and ideology like this would last forever. They never do.

when, how, and at what cost

"At what cost" is what troubles me so much.

[–]Ossidiana 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

or at least an attentive student of history

It's what I always try to explain to lazy kids: studying may seem boring, but here's why it's important. The more you know, the less things will take you by surprise!

[–]al-Amira 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I think your comparison to cultural subcultures like goth is completely off, not only is the comparison off - your analysis of what goths are feels quite off as well. You'd be better off comparing them to neo-nazis or some other political faction. That aside, no I don't think it will die off - cause unlike neo-nazis (and definitely unlike goths) these people have actually managed to get people fired from their jobs, they've managed to change the discourse in LGBT organisations, they even made governments consider people being allowed to change legal gender by nothing more than just signing a piece of paper. Corporations are gobbling it up like it was crack cocaine, their supporters too, just look at how it went from Black Lives Matter to Black Trans Lives Matter and no, that's not just something spewed forth by reddit TRAs, it's regurgitated by people who probably don't even know what TRA ideology actually is, sure the change isn't official but still a lot of people still add trans lives to it. Other things they've changed includes, but is not limited to words such as latinx instead of latino or latina and has been around since 2004 at least. University courses are also being affected by it, granted so far only in the social sciences. So... no, I don't think it will die out any time soon (eventually it will, unless it's been so firmly rooted that it's still there but just in a diminished form), there might be less people transitioning but I think the 3000 different genders will still be part of the discourse. I hope it will, but I very much doubt it... so please gender-confused people, prove me wrong.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agree with all this. They are brainwashing people into believing it’s about gender attraction, so a transman and a gay man are gay sex. Had an argument on Reddit with Simone calling us dense for believing in sexuality. They changed all the definitions to include themselves and I don’t see that going away.

[–]zeusdx1118 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

University courses are also being affected by it, granted so far only in the social sciences.

I am in college and I testify to the fact that I have had professors lecture us about "gender" in class, which is completely irrelevant in terms of the subjects we were there to study.

[–]al-Amira 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ouch, that sucks. Maybe if more feel the same way, you should complain - particularly if you're in the U.S as you're literally paying to attend courses. If I attend something like computer science, biology or anything really and time is taken away from those courses by discussing... say, Durkheim's theory about anomie, I'd find that worthy of complaint cause I'm not there to learn or discuss those things.

[–]zeusdx1118 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I want to every time it happens, yet I don't trust the college administration. The only time they do anything about anything is when they know students will riot and vandalize stuff because of something. Which is why left-talk is so popular in college now I think, because the left has a lawless crowd of troublemakers.

[–]PInkier 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sadly, I think not. The reason is that it is the new home of most incels (trancel, as I call them). Those people exist since forever and they GRIP to every resources they have to get laid. TRA is parasited and this can't be cured as the community accepted them with open arms...

[–]Jolowicz1313 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think that it will either die by itself or because of the scandal awaiting with all the unnecessary surgery, hormone therapy prescribed to vulnerable youth.

[–]oyasuminasai50 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Non-binary is for sure a 21st century invention - and no, any finite number of small and obscure cultures that acknowledged some semblance of a "third gender" does not negate that fact. It's like goth in that it's people taking perfectly normal human emotions (goths and feeling "sad" or "out of place", NB in feeling some mix of masculine, feminine, or neither) and attaching a special label and subculture to promote a sense of uniqueness, meaning, belonging, identity, etc. I'm almost positive NB will die out in a few decades.

I do believe there is a more material, psychological basis for being trans, at least by comparison. And I wouldn't expect that to go away.

[–]PassionateIntensity 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Laws have already been changed to make self-ID legal and erase sex as a protected characteristic, and they were lobbied by Google and Big Pharma and other billionaires. Ask yourself why that is. It is a fad but when the cult gets over it, thousands of gay people will have been sterilized and mutilated and we'll be left with fewer rights than 5 years ago.

[–]transphobicfaggot 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes but not before they reintroduce homophobia into the world and undo all of the work we— Oh, so maybe it’s soon.

[–]zeusdx1118 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably. I feel like the whole far left SJW scene is mainly just modern more delicate "punk" style thing with the shaved heads, piercings, dyed hair, and grunge attire, while screaming "down with the patriarchy!"