If men aren't allowed to have male only spaces, why should we allow women to have their own spaces?

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[–]WildApples 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Male privilege means men are more likely to be taken seriously than women. If a man says he's raped by a women, he will most likely be believed, unlike a woman raped by a man who most people will assume she is making false accusations. Yet despite men being more likely to be taken seriously, I can't find a single article online about a man being raped by a woman, or a woman implanting a camera in a public bathroom. Yet I can find plenty of news articles of men raping women. Trust me if a man was raped by a woman it would be all over the news because men are privileged like that.

I strongly disagree. I agree that men are much less likely to be sexually assaulted by women, but when they are I do not think it is taken seriously at all. People find the idea of a woman assaulting a man funny, so a male victim would likely face incredulity, shame, and ridicule if he came forward. Also, the idea that men are always up for sex and lucky to get it means there is a cultural idea that men cannot be harmed by sexual assault. For these reasons, when men are sexually assaulted by women, they are less likely to come forward, less likely to be taken seriously when they do, and less likely to receive appropriate emotional support.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This might be true but who are the ones who usually berate and belittle men who get assaulted by women? It's usually other men. I'm not saying that the assault is right because it absolutely isn't no matter woman or man but I think if men stopped making fun of other men for things like that (and especially mentally health, this whole "suffer in silence" thing), it would certainly help.

[–]womanual 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I disagree. Male privilege means men and boys are more likely to be taken seriously than women and girls in every facet of society. I've personally seen this in my life. I've worked in places where men's ideas were taken more seriously than women with way better ideas. Likewise, when a man claims to be raped by a woman, he is more likely to be believed and to be given resources than a woman alleging she was raped by a man. I am a petite woman, but even if a man twice my strength and size claims I assaulted him and whatnot, he is more likely to be believed simply because he's a man. That's the consequences of living in a society where men are privileged.

I don't know anyone who thinks a woman assaulting a man funny. In fact, I see the opposite. When women talk male violence against women, men love to deflect the conversation with wHaT aBoUt ThE mEn or mEn ArE nOt TaKeN sErIoUsLy when we know that’s not true. Men are more likely to be taken seriously, even when they falsely accuse women of rape. Google "woman rapes man" or "women gang raped man" and you will find ZERO articles about women raping men, but hundreds of articles about men raping women. I'm not saying it's impossible for a woman to rape a man, but I know if it happened it would definitely be covered by a major news source like ABC, CBS or NYT simply because we live in a patriarchal society where men are respected. But I can't find such articles? I wonder why. Based on this, I think it's extremely rare for a woman to rape a man, if it happens at all.

[–]FlippyKing 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really don't think a man who claims to be raped by a woman is more likely to be believed than a woman claiming to be raped by a man. There are still many who just reject the notion that a woman can rape a man. I might be one of those actually. I think in England the act would have to be called sexual assault legally because of how rape is defined. I absolutely can see sexual assaults done to men by women (however rare that would be) and psychological damage being done to LATE adolescent boys by adult women (but I also don't think such boys always suffer the kind of harm in those situations as adolescent girls suffer. I'm not saying it's right or anything like that.)

I don't think the fact that in the work place your ideas are ignored while some guy's ideas are taken more seriously transfers over to rape. Are there groups who will take such things more seriously? Probably. Are there groups, especially on the internet, that drum everything up into a category 5 hurricane during a civilization-ending asteroid collision? Yes. But I think in general society, the idea of a woman raping a man is still largely laughed off and only after some details are shared is the matter assessed. "Believe all men" was never a hashtag for good reason. Also, probably too many cheating guys tried offering up some version of that as an excuse: "What??? NO! It was her! I was just ... (insert what ever circumstance the guy was caught in) ... and she came along and ... she couldn't resist me. Stop laughing sweety, some find me irresistible it seems. This is difficult enough already. Don't go. Please."

[–]jjdub7Gay Male Guest Commentator 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s extremely rare, except for the niche circumstance of female teachers seducing their high school students, and then it’s nearly 100% female perpetrators. And yes, statutory rape is rape.

**** sexual assault, not rape