‘I’m team Terf’: Dave Chappelle under fire over pro-JK Rowling trans stance

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[–]tu_jode_mucho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

OMG that video. I had to power through to watch the whole thing.

Unfortunately you're right but the saddest thing that got me with this is that all my friends were women...

Yea I can see that. I have a decent sized friend group of black lesbians and I already know if I mention anything negative about TIMs to most of them they'll take it like I'm being bigoted and punching down.

Honestly I think black women really don't realize how harmful TIMs are because it's not the same experience as what white women are going through with white TIMs. We aren't experiencing TIMs aggressively trying to get us to date them, we're dealing with TIMs vying for men's attention and affections and women are just not going to be threatened or bothered by essentially a gay male who's swerving all out of his lane trying to take women's spot in heterosexual world. And they're our peers within the black lgbt community so they leave lesbians alone for the most part. On top of that, black men aren't pushing the ideology down black women's throats. Black men aren't allies to black TIMs like how white men are to white TIMs. So outside of a small number of GC and Lipstick Alley-like most black women just view TIMs as harmless gay guys who weren't lucky enough to be born straight women so should be pitied. There aren't really any black transbians that would make it way easier to point out how twisted and misogynistic they are.

I think black women's "peaking" will be similar to gay men's regarding TIW. No, they can't replace you, they can't take your dating prospects and you're still held as the gold standard of your dating pool. But they can take your language, culture, and spaces from right under you and insult you ruthlessly while doing so. And when it's clear to everyone what has happened the train will have already left the station. Similar to how gaydens went from being some whiney niche crowd on twitter to being able to call gay men slurs openly without pushback and get male bathhouses shut down despite having no clout in the gay male community and dating world (and no physical advantages or the backing of patriarchy like TIMs have).

Sorry for the wall of text, I got a little passionate there.

[–]Kai_Decadence 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah I agree with all you said. I actually was watching Karen Davis from You're Kidding Right where she was speaking with Jennifer Bilek and Jennifer mentioned something that is pretty true with how the trans thing seems to be more of a white thing then a black thing because black people have "culture". I had to step back and think about it and I think she made a decent observation. Because you don't typically see black men coming out as "transbians". You mostly just see black gay men transing out and it's because of internalized homophobia as well as dealing with homophobia in black dominated spaces as well as dealing with the hardships of being an effeminate gay man in general in the gay dating scene so they trans out thinking it will make their lives better (which it really doesn't) but anyway yeah, this is more than likely why black women have a harder time seeing the truth about transgender ideology.

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

[–]tu_jode_mucho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But if more black women saw what many trans-identified men think of them as aka don't really consider them women because they aren't white women, I feel like they'd sooner see how misogynistic and racist the ideology is.

Absolutely. I showed my partner a few screenshots of TIMs saying different variations of "if black women are women then TW are women" and it lit her tf up. She still thinks it's an exclusively white transbian thing but the seed has been planted. And videos like the one you posted I think will definitely start to peak black women more. We're used to TS Madison types, but if you (general you) start exposing Nikita Dragon types and make it clear they're pretty much male Kardashians (appropriators/thieves who shit on black women competing for black men's attention) then we've got a GC stew going.

[–]Kai_Decadence 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nice to hear that your partner didn't take what you showed her lightly and even if she didn't fully peak, like you said the seed has been planted and when she sees more of this gross mentality towards black women from these trans-identified men, she'll eventually come around. It's like once you start seeing this kinda stuff, you become more acutely observant when you see it

I actually went back to the video and filtered the comments by "newest" and there actually some black women who were getting peaked so yeah, I think this video and another one that I saw pop up by another black woman creator talking about Nikita Dragun (though I haven't watched that one yet), this is all good to see.