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[–]RationalNeutral 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

... So, if I understand this correctly your statement is that "Feminism invented gender until it was inconvenient so then it was like NO, NOT LIKE THAT."

As for comments on extrapolation, most of that extrapolation is based on hard science. I would encourage you to see transwomen as allies to feminist causes, but I'm not here to do that. I'm here to hear out your views to better inform my own.

[–]WildApples 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are not really making a good-faith effort to engage. You completely twisted and created a strawman out of her very clear explanation of the fundamental difference we have with you about the concept of gender. You cannot browbeat us into accepting your conception of gender.

I am very curious as to why you think we should see trans-identifying men as allies. You do not share our experiences or problems, your interests often conflict with ours, and you yourself are demonstrating here a disinclination to empathize with us, instead talking down to us in a way that could be deemed "mansplaining." What do we get from seeing you as allies other than having males demanding that we subordinate ourselves and center our worldviews and expression around them? How would accepting you as allies help us women?

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

... So, if I understand this correctly your statement is that "Feminism invented gender until it was inconvenient so then it was like NO, NOT LIKE THAT."

u/asboluteblaspemy didn't mean "feminism invented gender" LOL. She prefaced her point about "feminist scholars who were taking about the “gender roles” as imposed on females," by saying "the idea of “gender” as something different from sex came from feminist scholars." Which is not what actually happened, but still doesn't change the meaning and merit of her overall statement, which was quite clear - and is true.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not a feminist, I actually think the conception of “gender roles” led us to this exact problem, that was my point so no you’re not correct. I’m also a very traditional woman so you are hot outta luck trying to convince me that confused men can be my “feminist allies”.

I don’t want men to be feminist allies, I want men to be men and women to be women.