How will the young TQ+ cope with bodily aging?

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[–]absoluteblasphemy 16 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 4 fun -  (19 children)

As u/BEB correctly pointed out it will 100% be plastic surgery. And here’s the kicker, especially for older folks here, the majority of people have no idea how bad it’s gotten because they’re not on the same platforms as these surgery obsessed kids.

I’m 26 and I’m still young I swear mom!! But basically I’m a Boomer to these Gen Z kids especially when I’m on TikTok yelling (lovingly) at these young women that they don’t need surgery, what they need is to acquire some self worth and some dignity that isn’t based in appearance.

Kids growing up watching Kardashian’s, looking at shopped images, and TikTok is literally just... I don’t know maybe China’s global agenda? Pure evil? Interspaced between funny haha videos there’s young women having completely unnecessary surgery and arguments about how communism is good actually. I must be getting old if my thoughts are primarily along the lines of “where the hell are your parents???”

I saw a young woman the other day who was obviously very anorexic, she looked about 17 and maybe 35kg, complaining about how flat her chest was and how she was booked in for breast implants.

It broke my heart, I don’t know what we can do to reach these young people. We are failing them as a society right now.

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I'm around your age and I have also noticed how the current generation of kids/teenagers seem to think we are "shriveled up prunes" already. I don't remember thinking people in their mid 20s were old, when I was a kid. I wonder what happened.

Interspaced between funny haha videos there’s young women having completely unnecessary surgery and arguments about how communism is good actually.

How do they reconcile plastic surgery with communism, though? Or is it normal for these type of people to hold multiple conflicting view points/ideologies at the same time? Could be an age thing, since they are so young, but something tells me it's a more severe failure in basic critical thinking.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

When I was a teenager I couldn’t wait to be in my 20’s, it’s like a golden era of time that you’re still spry but you also have independence and freedom!

I wonder if they just wholesale absorbed what the press said about us. We went from “oh those blasted millennials ruining everything” to “zoomers are just so precious and the bestest” LIKE okay... I’m fairly adjusted to being kicked in all directions, but it does hurt most coming from the younger gen.

I want to help and mentor them the way older generations did not do for us, and they’re fully not interested.

As for the Communism, that’s very curious to me. I was watching an Atheism panel from ‘09 yesterday which touched on this brilliantly and it talked about how the gap left by Christianity is filled by other religious streams of thought, usually; radical islam or Communism. I would say transgenderism qualifies too just on a smaller scale. Check it out if you’re curious; https://youtu.be/48V0m2lia5U

Maybe in their Brave New World the state will pay for your rhinoplasty and boob job. Make every body like a cookie cutter, no better way to strip people of their individuality than physically carving it out of them with a scalpel.

[–]purrvana 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I read a comment somewhere from a teacher that said he had trouble teaching Brave New World nowadays to his students because they see it as an ideal world - one which to strive for.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well that makes me feel slightly hysterical but less surprised than I really would like to be. These are also the kids that think Orwell’s 2+2=5 is the people who are telling them men can’t become women.

Don’t think I’m the only one wishing we could resurrect Huxley and Orwell to set the record straight.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OMG - frightening!

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As for the Communism, that’s very curious to me. I was watching an Atheism panel from ‘09 yesterday which touched on this brilliantly and it talked about how the gap left by Christianity is filled by other religious streams of thought, usually; radical islam or Communism. I would say transgenderism qualifies too just on a smaller scale. Check it out if you’re curious; https://youtu.be/48V0m2lia5U

Thanks for the video recommendation! It sounds really interesting.

[–]one1won 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

no better way to strip people of their individuality than physically carving it out of them with a scalpel.

Made me remember this Twilight Zone episode

https://thenightgallery.wordpress.com/2018/02/09/the-lure-of-forced-utopia-twilight-zones-number-12-looks-just-like-you/

https://vimeo.com/251765932

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When I was a teenager I couldn’t wait to be in my 20’s, it’s like a golden era of time that you’re still spry but you also have independence and freedom!

I love that you used "spry" here. A word that means "active, lively - especially of an old person." But I think most people in this context think that an old person is 70 or 80 or 90, not 20 something.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah yes I do generally know the definition of words that I use, thank you Twaniac I’m not sure what exactly you are getting at here. As I and several other people here pointed out the kids and teens really do seem to think that we are geriatric by the time we hit mid twenties.

50 is considered decrepit, 70+ and you’re basically half dead and useless. That’s the gist I get from not just the youth youth but a lot of my generation too.

[–]purrvana 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The communism thing... I think it's because these kids want to spend all their time on their phones and the internet but they don't want to work. Communism to them would mean a universal basic income where someone else would fund everything for them (kind of like all those GoFundMes that fund surgeries). This way, they can be on TikTok or YouTube as a career. Even if they only make a few dollars from it - it would be okay, because they have the UBI paying their rent/food. All the TIMs I know still live off their parents' money even though they're in their 30s, so I've seen this play out in real life. The TIMs are "professional gamers" but when I ask how much they make from their streams, they say nothing. Mom and Dad pay for rent/food while the government paid for their surgeries. The next step is for the government to pay for everything once the parents are out of the picture. They're basically kids who never grew up and need a higher power to take care of them and coddle them.

I feel like so many of these people are navel-gazing to the point where they have no real-life skills and can't work for themselves, and they don't see anything wrong with this. They feel entitled to everything - which includes the best parts of capitalism and the best parts of communism, but none of the downsides of either.

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When you put it like that, it makes more sense. I've also considered that it might have something to do with the fear of "growing up". Which I think is a pretty common fear (I still feel inadequate and like I'm not doing "adulting" the correct way, oftentimes), but they appear to have a more extreme response to it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I very much agree that the fear of growing up is definitely a factor. Used to be, in males this was called the "Peter Pan complex." But back in ye olde days, there were definite advantages to growing up, such as being able to have a social life with IRL friends & a sex life with IRL partners & also the pride & power of earning your own money. Now all the social & sex life stuff is occurring virtually online - & the money stuff occurs electronically. Electronic money transfers & using mom's credit cards are entirely different to the experience that earlier generations had of getting a paycheck they worked their asses off for, or stealing bills from mom's purse, dad's wallet or the household kitty jar.

I'm sorry you still feel inadequate & that you're not "adulting" in the correct way. Could this be "the impostor syndrome"? IME, a whole lot of people feel like frauds & inadequate nincompoops at various stages in life. I'm old now, & I certainly feel I am not "senioring" the correct way.

[–]Nosce_te_ipsum 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You make a really good point about the virtual vs physical life.

I found out about "the impostor syndrome" a few years ago, and it definitely affects me. Thankfully, it's not so bad that it incapacitates me, but it can become quite frustrating. I like to remind myself that it can serve a purpose, if you don't allow it to overwhelm you, because it can make people a little more self-aware, from what I've noticed.

[–]BEB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting take. I can see it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I remember being 28/29 in the 1980s & people in their late teens & early 20s (both male & female) acting shocked when they found out my age. Typical comments were, "But you look so good!" and "You must live in a refrigerator."

Once I turned 30, I dated a lot of hot guys who were 20-23, so obviously the view that others of their age had about "older" women was not universal. When I finally married at age 36, it was to another hot guy nearly 8 years younger. But none of his friends - or our kids - ever noticed the age difference. When for one reason or another one of his friends found out, they were flabbergasted.

In situations when I had to use my passport or driver's license, my kids when they were young would remark in alarm that my DOB year was wrong & always blamed the government for making a mistake. This wasn't coz I ever overtly lied to them, but coz they simply (& sexistly) assumed I must have been born the same or an earlier year as their father. I never disabused them of this notion coz I thought the whole thing was hilarious, & I am evil & duplicitous.

When I became eligible for Medicare due to old age, they were like, "How can this be, you're only 57 or 58!" So I finally 'fessed up that I am in fact rather older than they thought. They were pissed & still are. LOL

On FaceBook, I chose the earliest birth year option available - which when I signed up was 1910. So in FB years, I am 111.

[–]Irascible-harpy 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm 27 and I already feel like these beauty standards are completely beyond my reach. I didn't grow up with the level of pressure that these kids are growing up with. More than that, as isolated as we were, and as much time as we spent alone in our rooms with the internet, it's so much worse now. I can only imagine how painful the wake up call is going to be when aging starts to show.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They’re beyond anyone’s reach! I have frown lines on my forehead and smile lines forming around my mouth. Ageing is a sign of having lived, growing old gracefully is letting inside beauty shine through. Looks are fleeting!

I know what you mean too, we were already cut off and locked into the online bubble and it was awful. The best parts of my childhood were outside playing in trees, in the dirt, sneaking out to get drunk in a park at 16. Are the kids even doing that anymore? And don’t even get me started on the iPad babies, it makes me really upset to see 4 year old like zombies on devices.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Even intelligent people are using ipads as baby sitters of very young kids. I was shocked at one of my friends, an older mother and scientist, when she admitted that she's so burned out by the end of the day she hands her three-year-old an ipad.