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[–]BiologyIsReal 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These feminists often refer to trans women as “men”, a move that transgender activists say is transphobic and denies the validity of their existence.

Oh, for goodness sake, not pretending they aren't men (like all those people mindlessly chanting TWAW) is not the same that denying their existence.

[–]our_team_is_winning 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Am I the only one who tires of "all toilets should be unisex" in the comments? Everyone knows what skidmarks are, right?

Having separate male and female facilities was never a problem before.

<Professor Maskell said the university “is absolutely committed to diversity and inclusion> -- but NOT to women's sex-based rights. That part is always left off.

[–]MarkTwainiac 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

At Melbourne’s Parliament Station, Sun had security called on them by an old woman for using the women’s toilet. At Melbourne Central, another elderly woman told them, “no boys are allowed in here”. On another occasion, Sun went into the toilet on the heels of a young woman, “and her boyfriend was really agitated, he even opened the door to the women’s to check she was OK. I mean, I just want to use the toilet and get out.”

Wow, I love how these gender ideologues are completely comfortable displaying ageism against anyone who had the temerity to be born at an earlier or later year/era/generation than when they were born.

[–]panorama 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

^ This. All day, every day!

[–]absoluteblasphemy 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I still have less problem with masculine females in the female bathroom than TIMs, idk I’m just not worried about another female being in a female space. It’s not uncommon for women to look boyish or masculine, doesn’t ban them from our spaces.

I imagine our older people have been completely baffled with bathroom politics and I can understand that seeing a masculine looking female in the washroom can be abnormal, but the line for me is always no dicks allowed. Regular or inverted thanks!

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Lots of women are what some would call "masculine." And "masculinity" in females is often in the eye of the beholder. People born since the mid-1990s seem to be much quicker than previous generations to label people "masculine" and "feminine" and to have extremely rigid, narrow views of what those labels mean. By the sexist standards embraced by so many Gen Z people today, a good number of the "1950s housewives" of my mother's generation would be considered "masculine" or at least somewhat or rather "unfeminine."

Also, women's level of "femininity" tends to change a great deal over the course of life. Even those who look/ed "feminine" in youth tend to become much more "neuter," "matronly" and/or "masculine" with age.

This is particularly the case during and after menopause, but it's often very noticeable long, long before that too. I was just noticing this the other day whilst watching some reruns of "Criminal Minds" and seeing the changes in actress A. J. Cook over the years. Same goes for the original "Law and Order" and the way both Elizabeth Olivet the shrink and Jamie the DA physically changed - which is one of the reasons L&O kept retiring female actresses and bringing in younger, fresher ones in full flush of more stereotyped "feminine" looks.

I imagine our older people have been completely baffled with bathroom politics and I can understand that seeing a masculine looking female in the washroom can be abnormal, but the line for me is always no dicks allowed.

Your use of the term "our older people" is off-putting to me, especially on a thread where the first comment - mine - was about ageism. The possessive "our" seems incredibly patronizing. And the word "older" begs the question: Older than whom?

Also, I think if you spoke to a lot of "older" people, you'd find that most people over age 50 or so would not consider a "masculine looking female in the (women's) washroom" to be "abnormal." At all. Used to be, everyone was well aware and cool with the fact that human beings of both sexes can and do look remarkably diverse. And in the world and era many of us "older" people grew up in, lots of men men wore makeup and frilly clothes and had long hair, whilst lots of women did not. Yet with rare exceptions, everyone still could tell at a glance what sex everyone was.

And psst: a lot of the female people you or others might judge as "masculine looking" when you see us in the washroom will be "older" too - though none of us will belong to you.

[–]absoluteblasphemy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m 25, I say our older people in reflection thinking of my grandmother and my grandmother in law. I do consider “our older people” to be much like “our young people”, as in to be belonging to the human race and in need of differing levels of care depending on age. It’s just how I express my love and care, sorry if that’s offensive in some way to you, it’s really just a lighthearted comment on saidit I’m not really up for debating tone when we’re transing 5 year old girls. That’s my primary concern here.

[–]VioletRemi 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As someone on Twitter said:

"If you go gender identity based or sex based segregation, you are ending with one of situations:

You have someone looking masculine in women's toilet - either transmen or transwomen. However, only one of them is female and only one of them have penis and more strenght then women"

So yeah...