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[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Right, I do admit I totally messed up implying that Hermaphroditism is a thing in humans when it isn't and that CAIS is not Hermaphroditism. I watched a video about CAIS that was linked to me from someone in this thread and I also looked into some of the other DSDs as well and I'm a little more informed on what they are.

Yeah I think that TRA was really trying to confuse me for sure.

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The term hermaphrodite was used in older medical literature untill it was replaced by intersex. The term DSD was coined in the 2000's.

http://www.intersexinitiative.org/articles/dsdfaq.html

http://www.hormones.gr/8681/article/article.html

[–]ColoredTwice 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Outside of English-speaking countries I know term intersex was not used at all until recent. In most cases it was something like "congenital disorders in sexual development".

Word Intersex is very harmful, because people often literally translating it as "between sexes" and then it used by TRA. Second reason is that people with DSD does not feeling very good if you say to us "you are half man and half woman" or "you are less woman". It is very toxic and leads to IGM, puts youth with DSD and their parents on extra pressure and stress.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear it. I don't know about other languages, but the term intersex has been used in Spanish for a while, alognside intersexo and intersexualidad (intersexuality). I've seen Spanish-speaking newsmedia talk about LGBTI organizations, where the I stads for intersex, because local TRA also likes to use it to "prove" that sex is a spectrum and you can't say who is a woman or a man based in their biology.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just to clarify: In medical literature written in English by scientists and doctors from predominantly Anglophone places such as the UK and North America, the term hermaphrodite with no qualifiers hasn't been used in reference to humans for a long time. Even in the Victorian era, attempts to be more precise were made, and the terms "true hermaphrodite" and "pseudo hermaphrodite" were used, as were the confusing terms "male hermaphrodite" and "female hermaphrodite."

Intersex people were previously referred to as "hermaphrodites" or "congenital eunuchs". In the 19th and 20th centuries, some medical experts devised new nomenclature in an attempt to classify the characteristics that they had observed, the first attempt to create a taxonomic classification system of intersex conditions. Intersex people were categorized as either having "true hermaphroditism", "female pseudohermaphroditism", or "male pseudohermaphroditism". These terms are no longer used, and terms including the word "hermaphrodite" are considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious in reference to humans. The term "hermaphrodite" is now used to describe "an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs". In 1917, Richard Goldschmidt created the term intersexuality to refer to a variety of physical sex ambiguities. In clinical settings, the term "disorders of sex development" (DSD) has been used since 2006, a shift in language considered controversial since its introduction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

https://isna.org/node/16/

https://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/jpem/18/8/article-p729.xml

Unfortunately, throughout the 20th century and even to this very day, medical papers written in or translated into English by medical experts from from non-Anglophone countries still refer to persons with DSDs as "hermaphrodites." Just the other day I came across a recent paper from Pakistan that did this.

Also, within the Anglophone world, not everyone who has conditions now known as DSDs and treats people with them is happy with the term DSD:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5808814/

Since the term DSD was introduced, many people have changed it to mean "differences in sex development" rather than "disorders of sex development" coz they feel the word "disorder" is pejorative. However, tons of people with all sorts of other medical disorders do not feel the word "disorder" is inherently stigmatizing or insulting - just as many of us who have genetic anomalies/mutations do not mind these being referred to as "genetic defects." What most of us take umbrage at is being called "defective," not with acknowledging that we have or carry defects or come from families that do so.

Nowadays, there's a new push to replace DSD with VSC, which stands for "variations in sex characteristics."

Many persons with these conditions and who treat persons with them still prefer the term "intersex." However, as a writer and editor and observer of the social scene and contemporary politics, I think the term "intersex" has not served the DSD/VSC population or the rest of society well. Coz "intersex" makes it sound like people with DSDs/VSCs are "in between" or a mixture of the two sexes, which is inaccurate and "othering." And coz the term "intersex" and the conditions it supposedly is shorthand for have been seized upon by gender identity ideologues and queer theory advocates to promote the idea that "sex is a spectrum" rather than a binary, and to claim that ascertaining human sex is so difficult to do in the vast majority of cases that it can be asserted with confidence that "there is no such thing as biological sex" as this supposed "expert" did on TV: https://youtu.be/10fDRERJh4w

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah okay. Interesting to know.