"CAIS" (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) proves that Transgenderism is Real"

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[–]BiologyIsReal 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Males are the individuals of a given species who produce small gametes and females are the ones who produces large gametes. Hermaphrodites are individuals capable of producing both gametes. True hermaphroditism don't exist in humans. People with disorder of sex development (DSD) produce either sperm, eggs or neither. There is, thought, a rare medical condition that was (mis)called true hermaphroditism (now, ovotesticular DSD) where both ovarian and testicular tissue are present, but there are not cases of individuals with both functional set of gonades.

Anyway, trans identified people with a DSD are very rare. Most trans identified people are your typical XX female or XY male, but they love to use DSD as gotcha, neverthless. This dude using CAIS as example is just trying to confuse you because most people don't know much about this topic.

[–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

but they love to use DSD as gotcha, neverthless.

And this make no sense as well.

Let's say person with DSD is 3rd sex (which is not true). So what?

You was born with XY male, lived 40 years as XY male, all your body is completely male. How existing of XY female who was born like that proves that you can become female too after 40 years? XY female not changed her sex, she was born this way, and never was XY male. So what this argument have to do with you or with possibility of sex change? Even if there will be 100 different sexes, how that makes anyone able to change sex, if all cases are inmutable during life?

Anyway, trans identified people with a DSD are very rare.

By reports there 0.6% of population are trans. While only 0.2% of population are people with DSD, and only 0.05% of them have ambigious genitals, and only 0.02% have ambigious chromosomes. This means that there are 30 times more trans people than people with DSD.

Transes rhetorics about "sex is a spectrum" is VERY harmful to intersex youth. And it may push them to transition or surgeries. They are called "less females" or "less males" on a scale - and it creates a lot of stress on parents, kids themselves and their attending doctors. Being perceived by others and especially by themselves as incomplete or "lesser" will lead kid to think that they are abnormal, and majority of people are aiming to be normal, so that can lead to IGM, parents being nervous and kids wanting to "I will better be transman and real man by this ideology than incomplete lesser woman". This argument is supported by recent statistics of WPATH (they are liers, thought, and hate intersex people really much, so take this data with grain of salt) and few other trans organisations - there is increased number of trans or non-binary among people with DSD, while older than 25 people with DSD almost never trans, and if they are trans - it was in almost every single case mistreatment by doctors in 70s-80s and forced IGM with transition, when this phenomena was not studied as well as it is now.

[–]BiologyIsReal 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When do they ever make sense?

There is a very significant contrast between contrast between the intersex advocates who want to prevent unnecessary surgeries and that kids have access to accurate information about their conditions and the transactivists who are pushing kids towards "medical transition" and gaslight them when talking about biology. Transactivism certainly isn't helpful to intersex youth, quite the contrary. And it doesn't help that intersex are often lumped within the LGBTQ+.

and only 0.02% have ambigious chromosomes.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Do you mean mutations like for example a X chromosome with an insertion of the SRY gen or a Y chromosome with the SRY gen deleted/mutated?

[–]VioletRemi 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, like XX with Sry or XY without, or CAIS cases.

And it doesn't help that intersex are often lumped within the LGBTQ+.

There was organisation for TQI+ specifically, and they recently had their big conferense, and they not mentioned "I" part even a single time. They gathered money as well, and spended those to fund stuff to TQ, nothing was spend on "I". They just lumping them together with themselves as useful tool. Same as when speaking "Anti-LGBT" and then only speaking about "T" part, the LGB there only lumped to look more solid and like it has something to do with everyone of us. Like you know, that "hard to get estrogen and face surgery for transitioning of transwomen, and we need taxpayer money to fund it" has anything to do with lesbian women like myself or gay men.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I also don't understand what is meant by the term

ambigious chromosomes

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Right, I do admit I totally messed up implying that Hermaphroditism is a thing in humans when it isn't and that CAIS is not Hermaphroditism. I watched a video about CAIS that was linked to me from someone in this thread and I also looked into some of the other DSDs as well and I'm a little more informed on what they are.

Yeah I think that TRA was really trying to confuse me for sure.

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The term hermaphrodite was used in older medical literature untill it was replaced by intersex. The term DSD was coined in the 2000's.

http://www.intersexinitiative.org/articles/dsdfaq.html

http://www.hormones.gr/8681/article/article.html

[–]ColoredTwice 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Outside of English-speaking countries I know term intersex was not used at all until recent. In most cases it was something like "congenital disorders in sexual development".

Word Intersex is very harmful, because people often literally translating it as "between sexes" and then it used by TRA. Second reason is that people with DSD does not feeling very good if you say to us "you are half man and half woman" or "you are less woman". It is very toxic and leads to IGM, puts youth with DSD and their parents on extra pressure and stress.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear it. I don't know about other languages, but the term intersex has been used in Spanish for a while, alognside intersexo and intersexualidad (intersexuality). I've seen Spanish-speaking newsmedia talk about LGBTI organizations, where the I stads for intersex, because local TRA also likes to use it to "prove" that sex is a spectrum and you can't say who is a woman or a man based in their biology.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Just to clarify: In medical literature written in English by scientists and doctors from predominantly Anglophone places such as the UK and North America, the term hermaphrodite with no qualifiers hasn't been used in reference to humans for a long time. Even in the Victorian era, attempts to be more precise were made, and the terms "true hermaphrodite" and "pseudo hermaphrodite" were used, as were the confusing terms "male hermaphrodite" and "female hermaphrodite."

Intersex people were previously referred to as "hermaphrodites" or "congenital eunuchs". In the 19th and 20th centuries, some medical experts devised new nomenclature in an attempt to classify the characteristics that they had observed, the first attempt to create a taxonomic classification system of intersex conditions. Intersex people were categorized as either having "true hermaphroditism", "female pseudohermaphroditism", or "male pseudohermaphroditism". These terms are no longer used, and terms including the word "hermaphrodite" are considered to be misleading, stigmatizing, and scientifically specious in reference to humans. The term "hermaphrodite" is now used to describe "an animal or plant having both male and female reproductive organs". In 1917, Richard Goldschmidt created the term intersexuality to refer to a variety of physical sex ambiguities. In clinical settings, the term "disorders of sex development" (DSD) has been used since 2006, a shift in language considered controversial since its introduction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

https://isna.org/node/16/

https://www.degruyter.com/view/journals/jpem/18/8/article-p729.xml

Unfortunately, throughout the 20th century and even to this very day, medical papers written in or translated into English by medical experts from from non-Anglophone countries still refer to persons with DSDs as "hermaphrodites." Just the other day I came across a recent paper from Pakistan that did this.

Also, within the Anglophone world, not everyone who has conditions now known as DSDs and treats people with them is happy with the term DSD:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5808814/

Since the term DSD was introduced, many people have changed it to mean "differences in sex development" rather than "disorders of sex development" coz they feel the word "disorder" is pejorative. However, tons of people with all sorts of other medical disorders do not feel the word "disorder" is inherently stigmatizing or insulting - just as many of us who have genetic anomalies/mutations do not mind these being referred to as "genetic defects." What most of us take umbrage at is being called "defective," not with acknowledging that we have or carry defects or come from families that do so.

Nowadays, there's a new push to replace DSD with VSC, which stands for "variations in sex characteristics."

Many persons with these conditions and who treat persons with them still prefer the term "intersex." However, as a writer and editor and observer of the social scene and contemporary politics, I think the term "intersex" has not served the DSD/VSC population or the rest of society well. Coz "intersex" makes it sound like people with DSDs/VSCs are "in between" or a mixture of the two sexes, which is inaccurate and "othering." And coz the term "intersex" and the conditions it supposedly is shorthand for have been seized upon by gender identity ideologues and queer theory advocates to promote the idea that "sex is a spectrum" rather than a binary, and to claim that ascertaining human sex is so difficult to do in the vast majority of cases that it can be asserted with confidence that "there is no such thing as biological sex" as this supposed "expert" did on TV: https://youtu.be/10fDRERJh4w

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah okay. Interesting to know.