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[–]censorshipment 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'd call it sex dysphoria since we either want body parts removed or altered.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'd call it sex dysphoria since we either want body parts removed or altered.

I think calling it "distress over natal sex" would be a better name coz "gender dysphoria" is intentionally vague. Still, it should be noted that wanting to have body parts removed or altered isn't required for a diagnosis of clinical "gender dysphoria." Nearly all the clinical criteria for the condition is about preferring the sex stereotypes of the opposite sex and believing or insisting that one "feels like" or has the inner experience of the opposite sex.

Also, the majority of people with "gender dysphoria" and who call themselves trans today do not get any surgeries or other medical intervention such as hormonal treatments to remove or alter body parts. This is especially true of males. What's more, when people with "gender dysphoria" do get body modifications, they are least likely to get primary sex characteristics removed or altered.

The most common "sex change procedures" today are double mastectomies on females and above-the waist alterations on males such as facial hair removal, facial feminization surgeries, tracheal shaves and chest implants.

Today, 95% of males who say they are trans keep their penis and testicles intact. No males today nor in the past have ever had any surgeries to remove or alter their prostates or other male internal sex organs.

By contrast, a much larger contingent of women who claim they are trans today are having their ovaries, Fallopian tubes and uteri removed - though the majority will leave their external genitals intact.

Only in females with "gender dysphoria" is removal of the defining sex organs - the gonads - common. Males with "gender dysphoria" almost always keep their gonads.

For males who take cross-sex hormones and/or testosterone blockers, most of the impact on their bodies is reversible. For females who take testosterone, most of the impact on their bodies is permanent.

Also, for the record, lots of people

either want body parts removed or altered.

In fact, if cosmetic procedures were risk- and cost-free and didn't get botched so often, I bet the majority of the population would go get parts of their bodies removed or altered. Liposuction, nose job, eye lift, hair transplant, face lift, butt lift, breast reduction or augmentation, body sculpting, brand new "chicklet" teeth - there's at least one procedure most of us would probably happily get. Coz pretty much everyone has "dysphoria" - a fancy $50 word for dissatisfaction and unease - about the way parts of our bodies look (and often function too). But only those whose unhappiness gets the label "gender dysphoria" are seen as special and put in an exalted category coz their dissatisfaction and discomfort with their bodies is seen as more important and harder to bear than anyone else's. Only those with "gender dysphoria" get their cosmetic procedures prioritized and paid for by insurance and government health care programs like the NHS. And only those with "gender dysphoria" expect and demand that in order for themselves to feel better about themselves, the entire rest of the population must now be forced to change their language, deny reality and science, erode their own boundaries, give up their own rights, and sacrifice their own personal safety, privacy, dignity and mental wellbeing - and that of their children.

[–]our_team_is_winning 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Coz pretty much everyone has "dysphoria" - a fancy $50 word for dissatisfaction and unease - about the way parts of our bodies look

Millions of us, surely, would feel more confident with a nose job or other cosmetic surgery, but we simply can't afford it. If "rhino dysphoria" were recognized, maybe health insurance would pay for it instead of deeming it cosmetic and saying you can pay the full price yourself. And a nose job or neck lift or such doesn't force others to deny reality, just like you said.

It's so wrong that insurance, including taxpayer's money, covers the outrageous claim that a man needs his jawline shaved down because he likes cute anime princesses, but a woman with a large nose, for example, who feels too insecure to assert herself in life because of it, is told that isn't covered.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Also, the NHS in the UK does not provide, nor does any private or government insurance in the US cover, breast reduction surgery in "ordinary" girls and women if it's done for appearance only. Patients must have proven, otherwise untreatable physical, functional health damage from having very large, heavy breasts to get a breast reduction paid for by the NHS and US insurance - and it usually takes years - sometimes decades - of pleading and trying various other therapies and jumping through hoops to get approved finally.

But girls and women with "gender dysphoria" who claim to be "trans" - or now increasingly "non-binary" or "masc" -can get their breasts entirely removed courtesy of the NHS and US private and government health plans. In the UK, a patient has to be 18 for double mastectomy for "gender dysphoria," but in the USA "gender dysphoric" girls as young as 13, 14 and 15 are now having their breasts removed entirely - all paid for by insurance plans. Yet as we know, girls and women with "gender dysphoria" want to get rid of their breasts so they no longer look demonstrably female - it's all about improving/changing their appearance in their own eyes and the eyes of others.

The NHS's page on treatments for gender dysphoria says:

Some people may decide to have surgery to permanently alter body parts associated with their biological sex.

Surgery for trans men

Common chest procedures for trans men (trans-masculine people) include:

removal of both breasts (bilateral mastectomy) and associated chest reconstruction nipple repositioning dermal implant and tattoo

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No doctor should be cutting off healthy body parts. Mutilation isn't healing. I had a friend as a teen who had to have breast reduction surgery. The back pain was killing her all the time. I'd say she was covered by her parents' insurance at the time (I didn't ask), but during Europe's insane "witch" hunts they would cut off women's breasts sometimes. All about humilliating and torturing women. Painful to see women with such internalized misogyny and doctors willing to induldge it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

during Europe's insane "witch" hunts they would cut off women's breasts sometimes.

Sadly, this didn't just happen in Europe during the period when so-called witches were hunted and persecuted. Women's breasts have also been cut off by men during various genocides and the mass-rapes committed by invading, conquering soldiers during wartime many places on earth. What the Japanese imperial soldiers did in Nanjing China in 1937 is a well-known example.

Note how the following excerpt - from Newsweek in 1997, when Newsweek was still a print magazine and a legit news source - says this is an example of humankind's cruelty when in this case it would have been far more accurate to say it's an example of men's cruelty:

The chronicle of humankind's cruelty is a long and sorry tale. But if it is true that even in such horror tales there are degrees of ruthlessness, then few atrocities can compare in intensity and scale to the rape of Nanking during World War II.

The broad details of the rape are, except among the Japanese, not in dispute. In November 1937, after their successful invasion of Shanghai, the Japanese launched a massive attack on the newly established capital of the Republic of China (Nanking back then in Anglo parlance, now Nanjing).

When the city fell on December 13, 1937, Japanese soldiers began an orgy of cruelty seldom if ever matched in world history. Tens of thousands of young men were rounded up and herded to the outer areas of the city, where they were mowed down by machine guns, used for bayonet practice, or soaked with gasoline and burned alive. By the end of the massacre an estimated 260,000 to 350,000 Chinese had been killed.

Between 20,000 and 80,000 Chinese women were raped --and many soldiers went beyond rape to disembowel women, slice off their breasts, nail them alive to walls.

So brutal were the Japanese in Nanking that even the Nazis in the city were shocked. John Rabe, a German businessman who led the local Nazi party, joined other foreigners in working tirelessly to save the innocent from slaughter by creating a safety zone where some 250,000 civilians found shelter.

https://www.newsweek.com/exposing-rape-nanking-170890

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Japan is still paying reparation money to Korea for what they have done with korean women during WW2.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh okay.