straight girl tifs with gay male fetishes are straight up admitting to it now,,, @ gay men i am so sorry

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[–]Cicerosolo 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (21 children)

Women don't get fetishes/paraphilias. That's a strictly male thing

[–]wecandobetter 26 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Examine what this actually is - teenage females finding out they're turned on by physically beautiful young males. How kinky! How unusual! ...............no. It's heterosexuality. There's hardly been a female teenager born on earth that wasn't into boy bands or kid actors. That's ALL. But because these porny relationships are presented exclusively as male-male, they think THEY need to be male to have these loving egalitarian relationships. The only male-female relationships they see in anime/porn are the kind where the female is presented as a doll/toy/object of torture/humiliation/domination. Which one would you, as a scared teen, gravitate towards?? Obviously the sexual dynamic that involves less anal rape.

[–]Cicerosolo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

To me it's all very much fascinating how the human mind struggles to find happiness in circumstances where the struggle for food, shelter and other necessities are fairly non existent

[–]wecandobetter 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This a million times, with more and more extreme and self destructive hedonistic habits attending it

[–][deleted] 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

there are female pedophiles, that's really all that needs to be said about this. But girls can get animesick and pornsick too, especially through yaoi, even if it is less often. Looking at anime porn appears to damage people in that there can be quicker escalation of impossible fetishes and attraction/fixation on something that can't exist in the real world.

[–]Cicerosolo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Well, male paedophiles and female ones have fundamentally different behaviours and attractions but irrespective of that, paedophilia in my view doesn't fit the strict definition of a paraphilia, it's more of a sexuality (extremely contentious and hotly argued). Paraphilias/fetishes are a latent and distinct form of sexual interest , entirely absent from the female mind in any real real numbers. My God, just think of the breadth and range of male paraphilias. It's staggering. I'll try to find the scholarly article from a sex researcher that sold me on this view. I do think women should be more aware of this and learn more fear of the male sexual deviance and the way it dominates the weak.

[–]uwushallnotpass 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

paedophilia in my view doesn't fit the strict definition of a paraphilia, it's more of a sexuality

A prison psychologist with 11 years' experience of treating paedophiles would strongly disagree with you+. Paedophiles do not find children "hot" in the same way that adults find other adults "hot". They are turned on solely by the idea of violating the boundaries of someone defenceless and innocent. There is a reason why all of the sex dolls made for paedophiles have shocked and frightened expressions. It doesn't have anything to do with a "target location error" - this is anti-science propagated by people like James Cantor, who are trying to normalise the acceptance of paedophilia as a sexual orientation. There is a lot of evidence that paedophilia can develop from years of watching hardcore pornography, in the same way as all other paraphilias like AGP. Gail Dines states that not a single one of the convicted paedophiles she interviewed were initially attracted to children - they reported that they "got bored" with standard pornography and wanted to "try something new". They started with child pornography, and progressed to raping children.

(+ He is a Christian, and has corresponding opinions on homosexuality that I do not agree with and am certainly not endorsing. But this doesn't discredit his research into paedophilia, which appears to be solid and grounded in a careful evidentiary process.)

[–]Cicerosolo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh God, please no men are turned on by power rather than physical attraction. I thought we'd stop doing that post dreger's book galileo's middle finger. That may be a component but the biggest component physical attraction. I've seen material arguing they have an erotic target location that gets stunted during development. So when they're 8 they love other 8 year olds but it just never moves beyond that, even as they age. I'm sorry if I sound strident but the female view that male sexuality is an adjunct of power dynamics primarily or only is laughable. We need to all except that for many men are gutter trash primarily moved by physical attraction to weird shit. Still, on the main point, my view it's not a paraphilia is not the dominant view, I just find it most compelling. I do think male sexuality is so weird. There's like heterosexual, bi, homosexual, autogynephile, paedo. Maybe I read too much Blanchard

But you do make a good point later. I've seen people who work with these scum divided into two: those who get there through porn escalation, those who are paedos from young. I don't know if the former is concrete enough to be cured but the latter cannot, like a sexuality. Well, there is one way to cure them but everyone seems more into acceptance these days

[–]Cicerosolo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh God, please no men are turned on by power rather than physical attraction. I thought we'd stop doing that post dreger's book galileo's middle finger. That may be a component but the biggest component physical attraction. I've seen material arguing they have an erotic target location that gets stunted during development. So when they're 8 they love other 8 year olds but it just never moves beyond that, even as they age. I'm sorry if I sound strident but the female view that male sexuality is an adjunct of power dynamics primarily or only is laughable. We need to all except that for many men are gutter trash primarily moved by physical attraction to weird shit. Still, on the main point, my view it's not a paraphilia is not the dominant view, I just find it most compelling. I do think male sexuality is so weird. There's like heterosexual, bi, homosexual, autogynephile, paedo. Maybe I read too much Blanchard

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, I'm intrigued. If you've got research, I'd love to read it and learn more. You could post it as a separate thread too - I'm sure many would like to see this.

[–]gencritcurious[S] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i don’t really think thats true, ofc its more common in males, but anyone with sexual organs can be conditioned to get a sexual kick out of something.

[–]Cicerosolo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I wish that were true but male and female sexuality are fundamentally different. Only a tiny, tiny minority of women could be said to get paraphilias but even then, the overwhelming majority of that population is masochistic whereas the male fetish umbrella is fucking disgusting.... And dangerous. But anyway, this is just my view and what I've read, particularly when reading up on agp and more unsavoury topics

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I think these are psychological fixations and clearly phony pretenses by girls and young women who are sexually naive, inexperienced fabulists disconnected from their bodies and reality - rather than genuine sexual fetishes.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Women don't get fetishes/paraphilias. That's a strictly male thing

I don't think you meant anything by this, but people who said shit like this (among other things regarding aspects of sexuality that women supposedly don't experience) is part of what made me think I was a trans man, or supposed to be born male. It's not helpful. It only worsens the TIF problem.

[–]Cicerosolo 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That's all well and good but I'm not going to disguise what I think is an extremely important difference between male and female. Any woman who imagined her sexuality to be anything similar to the male paraphilic drive arent being accurate.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not saying there's not a difference. You can acknowledge that fetishes/paraphilias occur more frequently in men without saying any woman who experiences them is being inaccurate or saying that women don't experience them at all point blank. Physical aggression is also more common in men but it is not solely a male trait. As someone mentioned above, anyone with sex organs can develop a fetish/paraphilia under the right conditions. Just because this happens less often in women doesn't mean it never does, nor that these occurrences are statistically insignificant. IMO the rise in TiFs who fetishize gay male relationships, and gay men in general, is proof that women with this particular fetish now have an outlet in which is considered 'okay' to act it out. Otherwise they'd be silent about it because "women don't have fetishes" so you'd never hear about them. Outside of fandom circles anyway, yaoi fangirls have always been pretty loud there.

Statements that box people in like "men/women don't/never X" only add to the problem of more people thinking they were born the wrong sex. The same way you aren't going to disguise what you consider an important distinction in this case, I'm not going to disguise that statements like this contribute to the problem of needlessly trapping people in gender boxes based on their behaviors.

To make things clear, I'm not here to glorify paraphilias. They're very unhealthy no matter who has them. But to say they never occur in women at all under any circumstance, and that all women who claim to experience them are just lying to themselves is just not true.

[–]yousaythosethings 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think some women do but it’s much more rare. We had what appeared to be an autoandrophile in s/lesbians recently that was convinced she was a lesbian but was grossed out with the sex with women she forced herself to have, was obsessed with talking about sex with men and penis fantasies, and thought of herself as a man during sex with women. It was uncanny valley stuff. It also seemed to involve some kind of component of sexual orientation OCD.

[–]Cicerosolo 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That doesn't sound like a paraphilia to me: Paraphilias are frequent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies or behaviors that involve inanimate objects, children (although I find children to be distinct to a normal paraphilia... More of an erotic target location error) or nonconsenting adults, or suffering or humiliation of oneself or the partner

[–]yousaythosethings 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you consider autogynephilia to be a paraphilia? Because this sounded a lot like the inverse of that.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've read r/askagp and itsafetish a bit and while I don't comprehensively understand the condition I see these aspects in some stories there. Not sure if you're asking more for cicerosolo's rationalizations or a discussion of AGP as a whole, but hey I typed this up so have it.

intensity - AGP appears to be difficult to suppress and addictive. For many trying to block it out results in a severe relapse. It also appears to require escalation when being indulged.

inanimate objects - Crossdressing and clothes stealing. Stealing may be part of a non-consenting aspect. The attachment to the feminine persona embodied by the clothes appears deeper than as an accessory to sex. I've seen some AGP men go through phases of disgust, throwing out their collection of female clothes, and then relapsing and buying large amounts over again.

humiliation - Many AGP are distressed by an addiction to "sissy" porn. I've decided that humiliation's interplay with male sexuality is something I as a female can't understand, as I see men say sissy porn causes extreme self-esteem issues. In some transformation porn, the change to a female role is humiliating because the female role is lesser, subservient, or a sex object.

Nonconsenting adults - I've seen a desire to 'trick' straight men or go 'stealth' with lesbians, but this seems infrequent and minor.

google defines paraphilia as "a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities." That some men would prostitute themselves to other men or go to the lengths of transitioning to relieve their urges qualify as extreme and dangerous to me.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askAGP/

[–]uwushallnotpass 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Actually no, this just isn’t true. Many, many women have paraphilias. It’s less common, and they’re much less likely to get a diagnosis even when they show the exact same symptoms as men, because the results are likely to be less violent and less criminal, but women certainly do have them. It would not exactly be a huge shock to find that exposure to pornography at a young age (and especially yaoi with a “romantic” flavour) would create an epidemic of paraphilia among young women.

How incredibly depressing that all these young women are openly saying what this has done to them and there’s no one willing to listen. “Do whatever gives the meat serotonin”. Holy fuck.