When it comes to the Bathroom thing, what do you say about the Women who claim they have no problem with TIMs being in the restroom?

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[–]lefterfield 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

What do those women tell women who do have a problem with it?

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm reminded of that one video Magdalen Berns did where she responded to Jaclyn Glenn's video about the trans bathroom thing and Jacyln was saying that women who have a problem with TIMs in the bathroom need to get over it.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What do those women tell women who do have a problem with it?

I had a woman tell me "would you want to prove you are female every time before you enter the women's room? How are you going to prove you're a woman?"

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tell them that since the advent of women's bathroom, which women had to fight tooth and nail for, we women have been fine with sussing out who is a man and who is not.

Trans advocates always bring up a mythical butch lesbian who has been questioned in a women's bathroom because she appears male as a reason we should allow any man into our bathrooms.

I tell them that women don't really question other women in women's bathrooms, because if the woman questioned is indeed a male, chances are the questioning real woman will get the shit beaten out of her.

And it's trans advocates fucking fault that women would even start to question a butch dyke in a bathroom, because it's trans advocates passing the laws that allow men in bathrooms. Before all their fucking bathroom bills, women would assume that everyone in the bathroom with her was a woman.

I went to school with tons of butch dykes, even went to the bathroom with them, and never had a problem telling them from men.

[–]Jksmiddlefinger 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Remind them that it’s not needed because 95% of them don’t even come close to passing.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can spot TiMs as soon as I see them (I spent a lot of times in countries where gay men are forced or semi-forced to transition rather than live as gay men)

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had a woman tell me "would you want to prove you are female every time before you enter the women's room? How are you going to prove you're a woman?"

Proving one's sex was never necessary at any previous time in history. Used to be, everyone knew the differences between male and female, grew up knowing which sex they were, understood that figuring out the sex of adult others is something humans have evolved to do in a flash - and the vast majority generally operated according to the unwritten social contract and accepted codes of decorum...

Now we live in a hyper-individualist free for all, when "I can do whatever the hell I want and you can't tell me otherwise" is fast replacing having manners, showing respect for others and caring about social cohesion and trying to do what's what's best for society as a whole. Worse, now the very notion of material reality is being widely rejected: biological sex is a white-supremacist, colonialist construct, penises are female, and penises are no more significant or distinguishing a body part than freckles or wavy hair.

[–]jelliknight 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Literally no one has ever suggested underpants checks at the door.

What is LEGAL and what happens IN PRACTICE are different. Legally, I'm not allowed to swerve around an animal on the road. I still do, and should, but the law exists so that if I cause an accident saying "I saw a bird" isn't a defense.

When it's not LEGAL for any man to be in a woman's bathroom, any hypothetically passing TIM can use it. And be actually safer because there are no "cis men" getting in. Women do not, in practice, stop butch looking women and demand to see their genitals. We don't question anyone because the chance that we're wrong would be humiliating to all parties. But when a TIM or 'cis male' is creeping women out we're able to get them removed because the law is clear about which side it's on. The law exists so that a creep can't use "i feel like a girl today" as a defense.

When it is made legal for any man to use the women's bathrooms, there is no way to remove a creep. There could be 10 men in there making sexual threats to you, and you can't make them leave or even report it. You're the bigot if you do. You can't prove what they said or did, you can't prove 'creepy'. The law's stance is "get raped first, then i might care. IF you can prove it." Literally every rapist and pedophile is allowed in women's bathrooms. Allowed to hang out in there all day long if they like, until AFTER they've been proven to have committed a crime. And once they get out of prison they can use them again. In practice the result is that all vulnerable women are excluded form all public bathrooms and therefore have limited access to public spaces.

The next town over from me houses a protection prison, i.e. lots of pedophiles get released from there and walk straight into the community. Ask that woman next time, how many of them she thinks should be able to hang out in the women's public toilets without being questioned?

[–]our_team_is_winning 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And once they get out of prison they can use them again

Out of the women's prison no doubt! I will save your post and send it to her if she ever says this again (I've been avoiding my friend of 20 years over her Wokeness).

[–]LasagnaRossa 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Exactly. I'm one of those women who don't mind, but if the majority has a problem with it, I would support them.

[–]BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In the US, you can see inside bathrooms stalls.

The US Equality Act allows ANY man to access women's bathrooms, so ANY man can watch you pee, change your tampon, wipe yourself.

And ANY man can steal your used sanitary products, as some TiMs do to gratify their fetish.

So NO. That's it. NO.

[–]LasagnaRossa 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ooohhh I forgot that bathroom stalls are different in the United States! Here (Italy) everything is locked, there's no reason to be afraid. In fact my university had genderless bathrooms and we never had a problem with it.

Btw why are American stalls so see-through? What were they trying to accomplish?

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US stalls aren't exactly see-through: they do not go from floor to ceiling, but only a very tall woman with heels on might be able to look over the walls.

You can look under the door, if you put your head almost to the floor, but women don't do that to other women.

US bathrooms also have cracks between the door and the front walls where the hinges and the lock are, and, while you can't get a perfect view of the inside unless you put your eye to the crack, you can kind of see what the person inside is doing.

I don't think that whoever designed US bathrooms ever came close to imagining that one day men would demand access to women's bathrooms under the guise that biological sex doesn't exist, so the designers probably thought they'd given women enough privacy.

I actually am less frightened in US bathrooms when they are actually sex-segregated than in the group cubicle bathrooms, because a man could push you in the cubicle and assault you with no one knowing, whereas in US bathrooms, other women who entered the main area would be able to see and help you.

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They get called terfs and cancelled.