Is there really any room for Gay men to speak up on Gender Critical?

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[–]PeakingPeachEater 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I see where you are coming from now. I had a discussion with others about gender critical trans persons.

They mentioned that trans can be gender critical if, for example they know and admit they are born their sex.

So taking a trans male for example, if he refer to himself as a "transwoman" to differentiate from biological woman, and also admits he was born male, he is gender critical, though not necessarily a feminist gender critical.

What confused me was the pronouns which is where I was iffy. If they know they are male, but use female pronouns, isn't that feeding into it? But someone mentioned yeah it does bite BUT there are languages that don't even have gendered pronouns or they simply ommit he/she pronouns like Japanese.

So that made sense too...Just different degrees of gender critical.

Also that sucks that your friends were pressured to transition...I detransitioned but did not go through with surgery/hormones. I honestly think the TRA movement preys on people in vulnerable positions like us(your friends & myself)---because we want to be seen as "normal". When I was deciding to transition, I thought I was exclusively attracted to the same sex, so in a sense, if I became a "boy" that would make me "straight".

It's pretty gross how some people claim to be trans or lesbian to sleep with men. And it does suck that there are some bisexual woman who fetishize lesbians...One of my coworkers claims to be pansexual---but that's just a fancy term for bisexual---she's had real relationships with men and sleep around mostly with women and only had 1 real relationship with a woman but generally...just likes to sleep with them, her words not mine.

I think she may be a bit of a political bisexual---when she's (white american lady) mad at the "EVIL WHITE MEN!@!+#!" she says she prefers women...(she's engaged to a white man right now tho lol).

I really wish there were more visibility for bi men. Straight women don't treat them good(even on media, they make jokes about bi men being gay and "gross"). That sucks that they are getting crap from all sides around.

Edit: spelling

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I was deciding to transition, I thought I was exclusively attracted to the same sex, so in a sense, if I became a "boy" that would make me "straight".

That reminds me in childhood, there everywhere was "boys are liking girls and girls are liking boys". I liked boys, so in my child's head I was thinking "if girls are liking boys and I am liking boys - I am a girl". So I had this dysphoria for around a year in pretty heavy state and then around two years more in less heavy state. I was around 8-11 years old during that time.

she's had real relationships with men and sleep around mostly with women and only had 1 real relationship with a woman but generally...just likes to sleep with them, her words not mine.

I've heard that multiple time, about women who are dating exclusively men, but going to sleep with women for "real orgasms".