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[–]MarkTwainiac 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Calling Blaire White a "he" is disrespectful af

But you wouldn't call her a man in public.

I would. And I so so now. I'm with BEB on this 1000%.

BTW, I think Blaire White's pretense of being a woman, and his drag and porn-inspired interpretation of being a woman, are "disrespectful af" as well as harmful to girls and women and to other gay men like Blaire.

You coming here and telling actual women with decades of experience fighting for women's rights, and gay and lesbian rights, that we're not allowed to refer to men as men if those men are pretending to be women is a perfect illustration of the misogynistic authoritarianism of GITs (gender ideology tyrants).

What does this even have to do with GC?

You clearly have no idea of what "gender critical" means.

[–]AppleTapple 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (14 children)

What do you mean by "porn-inspired?" You can call transgender people whatever you want, I'm just pointing out that it's rude and doesn't help people feel comfortable engaging in GC at all. I can't see how showing a picture of a transwoman with a gun has anything to do with GC. How is Blaire White affecting women and gay men by wearing what she wants? As an "actual woman," I don't see the problem here.

[–]MarkTwainiac 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I didn't say just porn-inspired. I said Blaire White's interpretation of being a woman is drag and porn-inspired. And that's what I meant.

Blaire White's idea of women comes from him viewing with his male gaze male fantasies of (young) women who've been sexually objectified by males for male sexual pleasure. BW's portrayal of a woman is in service of regressive sexist and ageist stereotypes and male supremacy.

Blaire W's entirely superficial, looks-based ideas of being a woman do not come from familiarity with, or sensitivity to, real-life girls and women. Nor do his ideas of being a woman have any connection at all to what living in a female body means for the majority of 51% of the world's population.

it's rude and doesn't help people feel comfortable engaging in GC at all

I think it's rude when white people dress as Native Americans or in blackface, and this causes me to feel uncomfortable. I see no reason why women have an obligation to be deferential, respectful and coddling of males who try to appropriate being female so they can lower themselves into a bath of lower-caste oppression in order to puff themselves up, get their rocks off or deal with their internalized homophobia and issues with conventional definitions of masculinity that they and other men have come up with in the first place.

How is Blaire White affecting women and gay men by wearing what she wants?

BW isn't just wearing what he wants. BW is a gay man with internalized homophobia and fully intact male genitalia who makes the claim that because he wears what he wants - and has gotten the cosmetic surgeries and body mods he wants, and he mimics lots of drag-queen mannerisms (hair flicking, the clicking of fake fingernails, hand-waving and head-titling and so on) - this somehow makes him a woman. This is a stance/coping mechanism that is inherently misogynistic, male supremacist and homophobic all at once. If you can't see that, that's your problem - not mine.

I'm all for men and women wearing what they want. I'm a longtime backer of "gender benders" like Patti Smith, Jobiath, Marc Bolan, Brian Eno, Marilyn Peter Robinson, Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, and all the rest from the 70s, 80s and 90s. I was one myself, and still am.

I also was very involved in advocacy for, and hands-on care of, a number of "feminine-presenting" gay men rejected by their families and society at large during the AIDS crisis of the 80s and 90s. But none of those guys made the claim that because they didn't conform to conventional codes of masculinity they were somehow women and therefore women and girls should be forced to welcome them into our loos, and accept that it's just our lot in life to have to put up with men leering, wagging their dicks, spying and assaulting us in change rooms, hospital wards, shelters, rape refuges, prisons and care homes.

BW uses facilities that are supposed to be female-only such as ladies loos, locker rooms and change rooms. Without the consent of girls and women. He's not just an appropriator, he's an interloper, invader and colonizer. BW never asked girls and women if we felt comfortable with him and his dick in our spaces.

You asked earlier

What does this even have to do with GC?

And now you say

I don't see the problem here

That's on you.

[–]MezozoicGay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not just that, he is a youtuber with decently big subscriber base, so he is not just doing all this things, but spreading them out. Of course he is not as radical in gender theory beliefs as other transwomen youtubers, but this only makes him "lesser evil". Actually, I think BW could maybe not even be offended much if you call him "he", or at least he said that in one of his videos (as he accepting he is still a male, not female, like some people "I am woman in documents, and woman is adult human female, so my dick is female biology").

I still remember ContraPoints - when Contra was gender non-conforming man, he had a lot of support from GC. However, when he removed all his old videos and became "transwoman", he lost all GC support and was opposed by them.

[–]Kai_Decadence 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's just obvious what Blaire's end game is or rather was because he thinks that if he acts so agreeable to a certian extent, it'll make people think he is truly trans when he's just as ridiculous as the AGPs, just in a different way where he thinks mimicking pornographic version of womanhood is what makes him more of a woman than rougher looks trans-identified men he rails about. Seriously why in most of his thumbnails does he have that dead-eyed, half-open mout with shiny lips expression that just looks like you're turning on a softcore porn flick or most of his outfits consist of scantily clad pieces that show off his chest implants or very short dresses.

Blaire what can say he knows he's a male all day but the fact that he still tries to subtly imply that he is a woman (Because "Transwoman" implies they are a subset of women when we know that isn't true). Like why can't he just do all he does and call himself a man? And I think he actually does get bothered when people call him by male pronouns. In the Candace Owens "debate" he did when she stated that what they were having was not a "cat fight" and that he's a "grown adult man" , if you look at Blaire's facial expression and body expression, you could just tell he got a bit bothered. I just think it happens if he gets called it from women who don't look particularly masculine presenting.

[–]MezozoicGay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

(Because "Transwoman" implies they are a subset of women when we know that isn't true)

"Transwoman" is not putting it is as subset of women, but a new entity.

However, as they are saying it "trans woman" - is putting it as a subset of women.

Like why can't he just do all he does and call himself a man?

Then there will be less oppression points and viewers!

[–]Kai_Decadence 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Transwoman" is not putting it is as subset of women, but a new entity.

If it's not meant to be seen as a subset of women then why is "woman/women" in the name? Woman only ever meant one thing. Woman: Adult human FEMALE.

So I mean... I think it's just obvious that they're implying that otherwise "woman/woman" would not be in the name at all.

Then there will be less oppression points and viewers!

Bingo. Though don't forget attention which even thrn I still he would still get attention, just from the usual closet cases who watch his videos.

[–]MezozoicGay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

then why is "woman/women" in the name?

For some reason there is "man/men" in woman/women.

However, I agree with you. I just pointed out that TRA are not using word "transwoman" they are using two words "trans woman", so it makes it subset of woman - like "tall woman" or "american woman". While if you follow logic, like it was pointed out here yesterday, then "trans woman" must be transman, because it is "woman who is trans". This creates extra cognitive dissonance and confusion in people heads.

Yesterday my friend gave me great example of this. In news there was an article "woman grabbed other woman's breasts and she stole panties" (or even if it would be "trans woman"). However, if you change everything to how it should sound: "man grabbed woman's breasts and he stole her panties" - then there no confusion and everything is perceived much more different. In first case women are on equal footing and equal strenght theoretically, and grabbing breasts could be just in mids of the fight. While in second case instantly appearing sexual context, and difference in strenght is obvious, and part with panties becomes disturbing and not just a minor detail.

And gave this article: https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

[–]AppleTapple 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

How do you know that Blaire White's image of a woman is from the sexual objectification of young girls? Blackface has nothing to do with transgender people. We do not 'dress up' and make fun of an entire group of people. Women do not have to be coddling or respectful to males who are claiming to be trans for fetishistic purposes or oppression points. That's something I agree with GC on respectively. I don't want women to be shut out of their own spaces and voices because of the trans movement. And I don't want LGB to be pushed back any more than it has been because of the T. Blaire White actually did a video where she went into the men's bathroom and was shunned out of it. I'm sure if Blaire White wasn't cis-passing in the slightest she wouldn't have put any sort of pressure on women into accepting her into any space at all. I'm not cis-passing and I do not use the men's bathroom because I know I don't pass and I know it's stupid. But I'm not going to use the women's bathroom when I have a mustache or call myself a lesbian when I clearly do not look like one.

[–]missdaisycan 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Let me guess, you're going to state that TW are never so rude to women. (cough TERFisaslur) (cough cough. Woman costume so pretty!). Woman is NOT a costume; we're people! Adult Human Female. That's what it has to do with GC.

[–]AppleTapple 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

No, there are transwomen that are very much rude to women. Being trans isn't putting up a costume for Halloween, fam. I still don't see why a transwoman posing for a photo has to do with anything. It bothers me because to me it looks like- making fun of someone just because they're trans.

[–]Kai_Decadence 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Honey you're not gonna win this. Reading your comments, you sound fairly young and it's understandable but seriously use critical thinking for just a minute. The other women were making great points and believe me, as a feminine gay man myself, even I can see that it's clear that Blaire thinks that by dressing like a blow up doll, it's purely just for the attention of men. He doesn't "act" like a woman. Woman & Womanhood is not an act, it's a biological reality but if we're really gonna go there I'm just gonna say it, he acts like a flamboyant drag queen with his mannerisms. No woman I have ever met (who was not obsessed with Drag Culture) acts like he does. If you haven't already, I highly recommend watching some Drag Queen videos on YouTube and actually observe how they act and when you do, it'll be clear what we mean.

And people here are not making fun of Blaire because he's an effeminate, flamboyant, gay man, they're making fun of him because he thinks that acting the way he does makes him a woman, it's the delusion that we find funny.

[–]AppleTapple 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not childish to point out that this post and the commenters are deliberately mocking someone because they're trans. I don't understand the delusion you keep talking about. Blaire White is very aware that she's not a real woman. That's literally the whole point of being trans. I'm not trying to win anything, I'm just here to point out bullying when I see it. I try to understand GC, but all I see is regurgitated homophobia.

[–]Kai_Decadence 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blaire White is very aware that she's not a real woman

If he knew that, he wouldn't have a problem calling himself a man. Just a man who likes to look the way he does. That's the joke. And no it's not homophobia lol. Feminine gay man here, never once was treated horribly by any Gender Critical feminist but that's because the difference between me and Blaire is that I don't think my being interested in feminine makes me a woman or a subset of woman whereas he thinks otherwise even if he doesn't outright say it.

[–]assignedcopatbirth 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To me it applies to GC because Blaire made a point the gun was "Barbie Pink" which made me roll my eyes. Paying extra to make your death machine "the official girl colour teehee" shows how dedicated Blaire is to this bimbo character as her "female identity".

I see you're new here so my suggestion is to take posts here as they are: written by a variety of individuals with a wide array of views, interpretations of what GC means, and beliefs about what trans people want or are like as a group. Many are rightfully angry and come here to vent.

We have our own shorthand so as a newcomer I can see why it's confusing to see a post like this and think "they're not even talking about philosophy, they're just nitpicking trans people" when we're not spelling out our point in the OP.

I'd say try to lurk and read the back catalogue of a variety of posters before deciding what the whole sub is like. And if it's too harsh for you, try Ovarit lol

[–]blackrainbow 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

She is also a reasonable trans person, no need to be rude with her. I dissent with other GC people here and I'm fine using female pronouns.