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[–]Shesstealthy 53 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 0 fun54 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

At no time does this person give an example of their parents using their birth gender. It's all what if. Having had a parent with dementia who died without forgetting who I was, I know I used to worry about how I would cope with that. But this person is being incredibly self centred. Yeah they won't know who you are, they'll call you the wrong name, deal with it. Your gender identity and new life have no bearing on this.

[–]luckystar 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I'm kinda confused. This story has nothing to do with gender identity; it's a story about parents with Alzheimers, which is a tragic, if well-trod story.

I was waiting for something juicy like "My parents kept calling me their daughter" or "My parents accused me of being a stranger breaking into their house" or whatever but nope. This is just somebody blogging about their slightly atypical life and getting into the NY Times for it.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 27 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 0 fun28 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As a child of parents with a terminal illness, I am obviously upset, too. Unexpected, however, is the sense that my identities as a man, husband and father — all predicated on my gender transition — seem to be falling away, too, as their dementia progresses and they forget who I am.

It only has to due with gender identity in this person's head. The writer is so narcissistic and so wedded to, and dependent on, gender identity ideology that s/he goes to great lengths trying to make the tragedy of what's happening to mom and dad all about himself and his fucking phony "identities as a man, husband and father."

I read it as the writer trying to make it appear that the prospect of his phony identities "falling away" is on par with having a terminal illness that causes people to actually lose their minds.

He seems to think not having his precious "identities" to constantly obsess over, blather about and make everyone else notice would a fate akin to, perhaps even worse than, dying of a terrible and terribly cruel disease. Coz the writer is a narcissist and his "identities" are the means by which he obtains the narcissistic supply of constant attention he needs like the rest of us need oxygen.

[–]leaveandletleave 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My granddad forgot who I was. First he called me by my mother’s name, then he treated me like a stranger, then he was actively afraid of me. What I wouldn’t have given for him to remember me at all, even if he had used an old name for me.

[–]spiceweasel 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I work with Alzheimer's patients and have a Mother and Grandfather who died with it. It is becoming more and more of a commonplace tragedy. It is a tragedy for all who care for these individuals. Most of all, it is a tragedy for the people who have the disease. To center this around gender issues is so self involved I have no words.

[–]Feather 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

And, even as she focuses on herself, she's focused on the wrong thing (even for a self-centered person). Her worry, as related to herself, should be about her own likely genetic predisposition towards Alzheimer's.

[–]Marigold-plate 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wonder when she’ll get to thinking about the reality of waking up one day, seeing a man in the mirror and scars from mastectomy, while only remembering her life as a woman and not remembering her thoughts that lead to her decision to transition. In addition to all the other stress Alzheimer’s patients suffer through, this added complication is something she brought on herself. I hope the trans community have a real discussion about how they’ll handle this in their dementia years. It’s too naive to believe you’ll be one of the lucky elderly who hold onto their mind until the end. Dementia has many causes and doesn’t discriminate among its victims.

[–]tuesday 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That is a very real likelyhood to happen. I've heard care-workers in nursing homes with dementia patients say that the transpeople almost always forget that they transitioned and then keep wondering why their body is so strange. And of course are very stressed about it.

[–]Marigold-plate 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really pokes holes in their claim that “they’ve always known,” doesn’t it? If they’ve achieved the transition they’ve always felt true to their inner self, they should be happy seeing their body even if they don’t remember the process that lead up to the transition.

[–]leaveandletleave 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I came here to say this! If it had been a reflection on the fact that SHE could forget her transition in old age, it might have been worth reading. The fact that she finishes by saying all that matters is a person’s essence defeats the supposed point of her own article anyway.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

AFAIK, there have been numerous cases of TIMs who got genital surgery and fake boobs then later developed various kinds of dementia and forgot that they had transitioned. Every day they'd wake up and scream bloody murder, "Where is my dick? What happened to my dick?" and "What are these things in my chest?"

I know a TIM who transitioned in the 1970s in his late 40s (he was married, had 5 kids and a successful career in a male-dominated field, aerospace engineering, at the time; previously he'd been in the military). In his early 60s, he suffered a series of strokes (probably due to all the exogenous estrogen) as well as AIDS-related dementia and had no idea/recollection of what happened to his body and seemed totally freaked out by it. The strokes affected his ability to recall words as well as his ability to say them, so it was often hard to make out exactly what he was saying/shouting. But he was very clearly freaked out by the changes to his body.

[–]tuesday 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And what's even more telling, is that normal people who are not trans, when they get dementia, are completely okay with with their normal aged body. It's only the transpeople who can't remember they "were born in the wrong body and then 'fixed it with transitioning' ".

If dysphoria is really this life long permanent thing which necessitates so much money time and effort, then how come the dysphoria doesn't stick with them when they get dementia? You don't see normal people waking up every morning in the dementia nursing home screaming that their body parts are wrong.

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And, even as she focuses on herself, she's focused on the wrong thing (even for a self-centered person). Her worry, as related to herself, should be about her own likely genetic predisposition towards Alzheimer's.

Yes, Feather, good point. What's more, her own likely genetic predisposition to the disease has a lot to do with her being of the female sex:

New research gives some biological clues to why women may be more likely than men to develop Alzheimer’s disease and how this most common form of dementia varies by sex.

At the Alzheimer’s Association International Conference in Los Angeles on Tuesday, scientists offered evidence that the disease may spread differently in the brains of women than in men. Other researchers showed that several newly identified genes seem related to the disease risk by sex.

Two-thirds of Alzheimer’s cases in the U.S. are in women and “it’s not just because we live longer,” said Maria Carrillo, the association’s chief science officer. There’s also “a biological underpinning” for sex differences in the disease, she said.

https://www.statnews.com/2019/07/16/new-clues-women-alzheimers-risk-differs-from-men/

Biology is so pesky, innit? And it's so rude too: biology does not seem to give a flying fuck about anyone's identities, pronouns, hair styles or fashion choices.

[–]fuckupaddams 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is it getting more commonplace do you think?

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Demographic changes. More of the population is aged, and aged people are living longer. And the sex and ethnicity of the elderly who are living longer/longest is key too. But I imagine there are many other factors involved too, such as diet, lifestyle, exposure to toxins/heavy metals, rising rates of diseases that cause chronic inflammation...

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2018/p0920-alzheimers-burden-double-2060.html

[–]Marsupial 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Neat narcissism.

[–]thatradicallesbian 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This degree of narcissism in this particular context is truly nauseating.

[–]ANIKAHirsch 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This should be re-named "The Fate of Parents to a Single Female Child."

It's narcissistic for their daughter to make their decline about herself. At the same time, I'm not sure what she could have done to prevent this.

Horrid.

[–]fuckupaddams 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is one of the most selfish things I've read, I'm honestly appalled. Imagine only being able to think about yourself when your parents are going through something so horrible. "Most of all, my gender transition" dude...

[–]MarkTwainiac[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm glad you said that. That was and is my reaction too, and it's why I posted it. But even as I started the thread, I wondered, "what if it's only me that sees this as an expression of outrageous selfishness on overdrive? Maybe today this sort of narcissism and clueless insensitivity to the suffering of others, including one's nearest & dearest, is seen as 'normal' and run of the mill, business as usual?"

After all, it got published in the rag that long was known as "the newspaper of record"