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[–]Catbug 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Nope. Animating rape and pedophilia encourages the act imo. At the very least it normalises the idea to the viewer.

Amateur porn is still porn, and there’s no way to verify that the actors want the footage viewed publicly. It’s also far from free of exploitation, given that amateurs output includes “rape fantasy” themes where the woman is allegedly faking her reactions or faking being asleep. Can’t be verified as scripted and consensual, can’t guarantee ages of participants.

Sounds like a bad plan to me.

[–]LasagnaRossa[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

About cartoons, what if they only depicted consensual adult sex? Would those be okay then?

[–]FuriousPenguin 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I find that terribly weird. Cartoons, to most people, are pure and wholesome fun. Anime included at least if one considers their origins. I cannot stomach the idea it feels like something meant for children is being sexualised. Feels like the same as sexualising children. Not to mention the rising popularity of hentai has imho brought sexualisation into regular anime to the point where I can't find anything innocent and fun to watch. It ruins everything.

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's nothing inherently "pure and wholesome" about cartoons, whether still images on a page or in moving pictures; and the genre never has been "meant for children" exclusively or even mainly.

There have always been cartoons made for older audiences, some of them pornographic. Even today a number of popular cartoon shows made for TV such as South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, etc are made for an audience that includes adults as well as children, and whose content would go over the heads of little kids. Then there are movies like "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" featuring the highly sexualized and large-breasted Jessica Rabbit, who was drawn, dressed and made to behave in ways that many women found disturbing and demeaning.

Though Mad Magazine was enjoyed by many older children, it was aimed just as much as teenagers and adults; and most - dare I say all - of its the content was beyond the grasp of very young children even if they could read.

Also, a lot of cartoon moving pictures made by the big name Hollywood studios in the 1920s-60s that were indeed meant mainly for children - including children who couldn't read comic books or strips on their own because they hadn't yet learnt to read - were explicitly racist, particularly against black people but also against East Asians and Mexicans. Nothing pure and wholesome about that.

Just as there have been erotic drawings and carvings for many thousands of years in a wide variety of cultures all around the world - as evidenced by ancient Greek pottery with explicit sexual imagery, the explicit carvings and artwork inspired of the Kama Sutra from 400-200 BCE, and the erotic statues adorning a number of Hindu temples from the Middle Ages, etc - the medium of cartooning has been used (mostly by men but I imagine some women too) to make and disseminate porn since the inception of cartoons, be they drawings or films.

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From its very beginnings, mainstream porn mags like Playboy and Penthouse used to publish quite a lot of porn in cartoon form.

While anime from or inspired by Japan is the most apparent and popular kind of cartoon porn around today, highly pornographic and scatological cartoons long were a popular genre in the US-based underground comix movement characterized by R Crumb in the 1960s. In the 60s, 70s and 80s (perhaps beyond), these sort of comics were widely read by tweens, teens and adults in the US. Whereas my impression is that while erotic manga is a tradition that in Japan goes way back, hentai as separate or specific sub-genre emerged since/during the 1990s, when the term originated.

Even some very popular mainstream cartoons made for popular audiences consisting mainly of children, or including children, were highly sexualized in their earliest forms. Early Minnie Mouse, for example.

Then there's Betty Boop, who was featured on kiddie TV programming all the time when I was a kid in the US in the early 1960s. Especially in her pre-code version, Betty Boop was a highly sexualized cartoon figure with an oversized babyish kewpie doll head and face, and a voluptuous grown woman's body. Betty was always dressed in scant, revealing clothes - basically just a short strapless slip with thigh-high stockings and garters and high heeled pumps - and had a personality that was childlike, coquettish, submissive and wanton. Betty Boop cartoons seemed designed to implant and inspire rape fantasies in the minds of those who watched - which unfortunately is the effect they had on me and many of my siblings and friends who watched them as small children.

Mainstream American cartoons like Dudley Do Right and Rocky and Bullwinkle featured a lot of female characters who were inappropriately depicted in highly sexualized ways - and they frequently featured disturbing story lines in which the females were seductive, submissive and used their "feminine wiles" on or against men in untrustworthy ways. In these cartoons, females were often menaced by dastardly villains and male violence. A famous theme/trope of Dudley Do Right was the "Damsel in Distress" in which a female character was subjected to kidnapping, bondage and nearly killed by an evil mustache-twirling older man, only to be rescued at the last minute by Dudley Do Right.

[–]Catbug 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess, but that’s really not what’s actually being animated, is it?

[–]Saiditfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Men can be made into pedophile supporters and pedos when they watch little child like figures in these cartoons. Most men watching porn have made their way to the most vile aspects of it for a rush. No wonder they have turned their backs on women ...it's because of their own addiction but sure let's blame feminism.

[–]yishengqingwa666 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No.

[–]MezozoicGay 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cartoons are overdoing the exploitation to extreme (especially underaged characters there very often). In the internet I met men and even women who were into "huge titanic dicks into tiny women", what is impossible in real life as it will be lethal. And other weird kinks from people watching western cartoon porn or hentai (and especially hentai). And both men and women were saying "but there were so muc enjoyment on her face" (while in real porn it is visible that it is all fake moans).

[–]Comatoast 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Adult and consensual. However, you're getting into strange realms here as not every country has the same age of consent, Japan being one of the places where it's pretty low. This is itchy territory. In another view, let us look in spaces where men are watching exclusively hentai, a lot of them tout "3dpd" or 3d pig disgusting, meaning they would prefer the presence of animated women instead of real women. Well, they're not interested in raping anyone outside of their very expensive figures. That might be due to unrealistic expectations of women, but when they're not interested in pursuing women and women aren't interested in pursuing them, no one loses anything by allowing them to effectively "quarantine".

[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No.

[–]moody_ape 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i hate both

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amateur porn suffers from many of the same problems as commercial porn, specifically the promotion of sexualized violence and domination of women. There is also no way to guarantee that both parties consented to have those videos made available to the public.

I have never seen hentai, but my impression is that it's a cesspool of depravity.

[–]Saiditfem 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Would porn be problematic if men were on the receiving end of abuse and had to feign enjoyment at their own displeasure? Would porn be problematic if men were kidnapped and raped by burly men with their humiliation captured on camera and circulating online and their demands not met to take the video down? Imagine the porn themes out there such as stuffing women in suitcases and men being stuffed in suitcases. Men on their death bed being taken advantage of sexually in a way that brings them more pain than pleasure? Would that be a problem or would we just keep certain ones around for the viewing gratification of men haters?