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[–]MenAreFragileBabies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I absolutely agree that few women are so privileged as your average white woman. My point is that even though we are very privileged, we have struggles too. I am having a hard time understanding why you think I am turning it into an oppression competition-- I tried to explain as well as I could that I am not. Even if Western white women have a lot of privilege, arguably the most of any women ever, we still have struggles. Of course every kind of person will have different kinds of struggles. They aren't the same, and we shouldn't try to rank them. But we should support each other in our mutual struggle for radical change, to be respected as individual humans and not simply the woman of some man.

The double edged nature of white female privilege is the main struggle for white women, to my mind. It offers a lot of protection, but in order to use it, we have to perform femininity. That keeps us from achieving our goal of liberation.

It's really hard to notice the things that make up your privilege-- but stuff like how easily we cry, since we are talking about that. That feels natural, because we've been socialized to perform this. But only babies and toddlers cry more than an American white woman. Every white American girl knew who was crying in the bathroom at a school function or whatever, and probably was that girl at one time or another. It's performing femininity, but it feels really natural, very comforting, and it's very hard to not cry when you are used to crying whenever you want. I should know, I have always been an infamous crybaby. It has taken me a lot of work to get to the point where I don't cry every time I say no to something. Do I mean for my crying to manipulate people into doing what I want? No. But is my crying manipulative? Yes.

Radical change starts with us, and it's never comfortable or easy. How can we expect men to respect us as fellow humans if we resort to childish, manipulative tactics like crying? How can we expect them to change things about themselves, if we refuse to change anything about ourselves? I get that it's hard, and it's not our fault we were raised this way. It isn't fair to have to work so hard to curb such comforting habits we've had since birth. But it's our responsibility to fight for ourselves, and this is just one example of a way that I think intersectionality is important even for privileged women, to target the kinds of radical changes that we need to make for ourselves. And also to work together to fight for radical change on behalf of each other.

[–]RestingWitchface 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That feels natural, because we've been socialized to perform this.

You can fuck right off with this. I have never received any kind of praise or benefits for crying in front of someone. I have been called "crazy", "manipulative", "weak", and all manner of other things though. The idea that women's crying is manipulative is right out of the misogynist's handbook. My tears are not a "performance", they are in involuntary reaction to feeling a strong emotion.

[–]Lemonade_Masquerade 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fucking THIS. This "women are allowed to cry, men aren't" is such bullshit. We aren't taken seriously when we cry, we are "over emotional" and "hysterical." I mean, sure, I guess little boys are told to "man up" when they cry, but that's about it. The entire world takes men's emotions more seriously than women. After all, look at that sad rapist. He feels bad for getting caught making a mistake! Let's not ruin the poor man's life!

I'm a crier. I can't help it. My mother would spank me if cried about something she deemed "unimportant" and it didn't make me less of a crier as I got older. It just ramps up my anxiety when I feel tears coming on now and I cry harder because I get more upset by the fact that I am crying.

[–]immersang 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a crier. I can't help it. My mother would spank me if cried about something she deemed "unimportant" and it didn't make me less of a crier as I got older. It just ramps up my anxiety when I feel tears coming on now and I cry harder because I get more upset by the fact that I am crying.

Same. My mom wouldn't spank me but she also couldn't deal with it and would snap at me to "stop wailing". It didn't change anything. If I would have been able to basically switch a button to stop the waterworks from starting, I would have done so in a heartbeat.