All: Disclosure and Consent

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 3 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 6 fun -  (28 children)

I think sexuality is more nuanced than simply being attracted to birth sex. I am attracted to cis men and passing trans men. I don't consider myself bisexual.

I think trans people should disclose for their own safety, and I think disclosure is important for long-term relationships. But I wouldn't go as far as saying it is rape.

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    [–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

    They also seem to not understand that not considering yourself something doesn' t mean you aren' t that something.

    A person who is attracted to both sexes and is willing to have sex with people of both sexes is bisexual even if the people of one of those sexes do everything they can to disguise themselves as the other sex.

    And at this point, the poster would just go "but trans men are males!" because that' s their gimmick.

    Don' t waste time trying to reason with them.

    [–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (21 children)

    I'm a woman whose only attracted to men, so by definition I am straight.

    [–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    You' re a woman who is attracted to males and to females who present as men. You are attracted to both sexes, so by definition you are bisexual.

    [–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 9 fun1 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

    There is no such thing as "women who present as men." They are men.

    [–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I was using the terms as in woman = adult human female.

    But since you use your own vocabulary, I changed the terms into sex based (I don' t know if you have seen it before answering me) since sex is what we are talking about.

    [–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    Sexuality is attraction to sex, not to gender presentation. Otherwise butch lesbians and feminine gay men would not exist or would be called in "straight relationship". I know homophobes often are saying this in countries like Iran, but it is simply not true. As it was already told here - lesbian just can't be attracted to someone who is male or "was male" - even if she will really try to. It just will not possible, body will not respond, regardless of how hard she tries. Same for all monosexualities, only for bisexuality it is different.

    [–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

    We all define our sexualities differently. For some, sexuality is attraction based biological sex. For others, it's attraction based on gender presentation. Each persons sexual orientation should be respected. If someone says they're straight, they're straight. If someone says they're gay, they're gay. If someone says they're bi, they're bi. Some lesbians are attracted to women AMAB and some gay men are attracted to men AFAB. It doesn't lessen their homosexuality.

    Trans men are men, but butch women aren't men. Trans women are women, but effeminate men are not women.

    [–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

    Sexuality is not self-identification, we born this way, we can't change it, even if we try. And oh I tried.

    Sexualities are descriptive terms, don't be so homophobic. If someone have two hands but says they have three, they still have two. Numbers are descriptive as well. If there two - there two, if there three - there three. If someone likes both sexes, they are automatically bisexual. And there nothing bad in that. It is okay to be bisexual. I wish I was.

    [–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

    If someone says "I'm gay" or "I'm straight", do you tell them "no, you're bisexual"?) You just don't do that.

    [–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, I don't tell them "no, you're bisexual," because it's not worth the effort. But I roll my eyes and mentally put them in a box of "people I'm never going to try to have a real conversation with." The last few years have made me understand deep in my bones that people who want to live in their own little reality away from everything else are actually dangerous. Half a million people died last year in the US alone who didn't have to die, because of a pervasive cultural attitude that it's just fine for individuals to have their own alternative facts and alternative reality.

    [–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    If someone is attracted to both males and females - they are bisexual, regardless of what they say. If someone is attracted only to same sex as they are - they are homosexual, regardless of what they say. If someone is attracted only to opposite sex - they are heterosexual, regardless of what they say.

    It is same as numbers. It is just describing what there is, it is not identity or something social, it just describes something that exist or happening. If animal likes to have sex with both males and females - that animal will be called bisexual, why humans are receiving different treatment? Humans are very special only in religions, but in reality we are not that different from other animals.

    [–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

    But I am attracted to males only. Cis males and trans males.

    [–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Yes. Because words have meanings and turning words into nothing but a noise that describes/defines nothing is both useless and silly.

    People’s identities are really not all that important. They should not require public agreement if it is so inherent and a part of them. The need for others to accept and use their inaccurate terms is closer to a performance where they worry the audience doesn’t believe the play.

    [–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This only show that deep down they don't believe in their own "identities", either.