All: Disclosure and Consent

submitted by loveSloaneDebate King from self.GCdebatesQT

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

They also seem to not understand that not considering yourself something doesn' t mean you aren' t that something.

A person who is attracted to both sexes and is willing to have sex with people of both sexes is bisexual even if the people of one of those sexes do everything they can to disguise themselves as the other sex.

And at this point, the poster would just go "but trans men are males!" because that' s their gimmick.

Don' t waste time trying to reason with them.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (21 children)

I'm a woman whose only attracted to men, so by definition I am straight.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You' re a woman who is attracted to males and to females who present as men. You are attracted to both sexes, so by definition you are bisexual.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 9 fun1 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 9 fun -  (1 child)

There is no such thing as "women who present as men." They are men.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was using the terms as in woman = adult human female.

But since you use your own vocabulary, I changed the terms into sex based (I don' t know if you have seen it before answering me) since sex is what we are talking about.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Sexuality is attraction to sex, not to gender presentation. Otherwise butch lesbians and feminine gay men would not exist or would be called in "straight relationship". I know homophobes often are saying this in countries like Iran, but it is simply not true. As it was already told here - lesbian just can't be attracted to someone who is male or "was male" - even if she will really try to. It just will not possible, body will not respond, regardless of how hard she tries. Same for all monosexualities, only for bisexuality it is different.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

We all define our sexualities differently. For some, sexuality is attraction based biological sex. For others, it's attraction based on gender presentation. Each persons sexual orientation should be respected. If someone says they're straight, they're straight. If someone says they're gay, they're gay. If someone says they're bi, they're bi. Some lesbians are attracted to women AMAB and some gay men are attracted to men AFAB. It doesn't lessen their homosexuality.

Trans men are men, but butch women aren't men. Trans women are women, but effeminate men are not women.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Sexuality is not self-identification, we born this way, we can't change it, even if we try. And oh I tried.

Sexualities are descriptive terms, don't be so homophobic. If someone have two hands but says they have three, they still have two. Numbers are descriptive as well. If there two - there two, if there three - there three. If someone likes both sexes, they are automatically bisexual. And there nothing bad in that. It is okay to be bisexual. I wish I was.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

If someone says "I'm gay" or "I'm straight", do you tell them "no, you're bisexual"?) You just don't do that.

[–]Juniperius 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I don't tell them "no, you're bisexual," because it's not worth the effort. But I roll my eyes and mentally put them in a box of "people I'm never going to try to have a real conversation with." The last few years have made me understand deep in my bones that people who want to live in their own little reality away from everything else are actually dangerous. Half a million people died last year in the US alone who didn't have to die, because of a pervasive cultural attitude that it's just fine for individuals to have their own alternative facts and alternative reality.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If someone is attracted to both males and females - they are bisexual, regardless of what they say. If someone is attracted only to same sex as they are - they are homosexual, regardless of what they say. If someone is attracted only to opposite sex - they are heterosexual, regardless of what they say.

It is same as numbers. It is just describing what there is, it is not identity or something social, it just describes something that exist or happening. If animal likes to have sex with both males and females - that animal will be called bisexual, why humans are receiving different treatment? Humans are very special only in religions, but in reality we are not that different from other animals.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (7 children)

But I am attracted to males only. Cis males and trans males.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

First of all, I was not speaking about you personally. It is signs of narcissism to take general as personal, try to avoid such behaviour, as in most cases it is just not true.

Second of all, you wrote you like transmen, not trans males. Trans males are transwomen. Male is biological sex and objective reality, while "gender" man/woman (by GI side) is socially constructed and can be changed. So do not conflate sex and gender together, they are different things.

It is impossible to communicate, when you are changing definitions of words you are using from post to post.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

I use the term males to refer to trans men. I use AMAB or natal males to refer to cis men. Being attracted to one gender makes you monosexual.

[–]ausernamee 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A trans man is a female. That's a lesbain relationship if you're female.

Straight would be when you're attrcated to cis men, trans women, and amab nonbinaries.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes. Because words have meanings and turning words into nothing but a noise that describes/defines nothing is both useless and silly.

People’s identities are really not all that important. They should not require public agreement if it is so inherent and a part of them. The need for others to accept and use their inaccurate terms is closer to a performance where they worry the audience doesn’t believe the play.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This only show that deep down they don't believe in their own "identities", either.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right? They keep saying it’s innate but innate identities don’t require outsider participation.

The entire movement has the unhealthiest grasp on the concept of identity I’ve ever seen. A persons identity changes and adapts, and is shaped in large part by values/morals/ethics whatever you wanna call it. To listen to the transgender agenda, you’d think identity is nothing more than a preference for certain cultural norms not assigned to you, and basing your entire self around those preferences at the cost of any real sense of self.

It’s remarkably similar to BPD sufferers. Their sense of self is unstable and often requires outsider input. I have to wonder how many men are not getting an appropriate diagnosis of a personality disorder (since those tend to be “women’s diseases”) and are instead self treating a raging case of BPD via gender performance.