QT: What rights don’t trans people have?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (57 children)

Okay… but what rights don’t trans people have? Lol

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (56 children)

They have rights on paper, but those right's aren't always carried out. Kind of like with other marginalized groups.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (55 children)

So they have rights… but face discrimination like pretty much everyone who’s not a straight, white male who isn’t trans…

I agree. Sounds like they get treated like everyone else to me

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 10 fun2 insightful - 9 fun3 insightful - 10 fun -  (54 children)

People who aren't trans are cis.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

No, they just aren’t trans

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 9 fun2 insightful - 8 fun3 insightful - 9 fun -  (46 children)

We call them cis.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

No. They just aren’t trans. It makes no sense to refer to someone by their lack of a mental illness/drastic cosmetic surgeries made up sense of identity

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 8 fun -  (43 children)

Many groups have names for "outsiders". The deaf call hearing people hearing people. We call non-disabled people able-bodied. Jews call non-Jews goy/goyim.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Sure. your “group” can refer to people inaccurately if they want to. I mean, they refer to themselves inaccurately constantly and try to force the rest of us to as well, so there’s no reason to expect them not to do the same to others lol

That doesn’t mean that cis just means not trans, a quick internet search shows what cis means and what the implications behind it are.

Deaf people can and do also often say “not deaf”

Able bodied is a phrase I hear often so I agree there

Jews can and often do say that someone/something is “not Jewish”

The difference is that there’s an implication behind calling someone cis, the word literally means that we have a gender identity.

when you refer to someone who isn’t deaf as a “hearing person” all you’re saying is that the person can hear/isn’t deaf, nothing more.

when you refer to someone as “able bodied” all you’re saying is that they aren’t disabled, nothing more.

when you call someone cis it’s done to validate trans people’s identities and it reaffirms a toxic, homophobic, and misogynistic ideology.

So, once again and not surprisingly so, your examples don’t work because the things you compare to the mentally ill community you stan so hard aren’t comparable at all.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 8 fun -  (17 children)

Deaf and HOH people often use the term hearing people to refer to non-deaf/HOH people.

Yes we disabled people may use the term able-bodied and abled.

We do use the term non-Jews, because most non-Jews don't know the meaning of the terms goy/goyim. Goyim means nations in Hebrew, but Jews use the term in their communities to refer to non-Jews.

Cis merely means you aren't trans. Transgenderism is not a mental illness. Many trans people physically transition and most are satisfied with the results. Some regret it. I am actually mentally ill. I have bipolar, OCD and ADHD.

[–]NeedMoreCoffeeGC 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What sloane means is that insisting people call themselves cis is like insisting an atheist calls himself a heretic, infidel or kafir. Atheists are not religious and do not see themselves as heritics and find it insulting.

We don't believe in gender identity so we can never call ourselves cis and we find it insulting. We believe in biological sex and that everyone has their own personality. We don't think "gender identity" is a thing.

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

those are called slurs.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (21 children)

Hearing is a slur? Able-bodied is a slur?

[–]FlippyKingSadly this sub welcomes rape apologists and victim blaming. Bye! 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We ask you stop doing that.

[–]strictly 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

People who aren't trans are cis.

Cis is the short form of cisgender, aka having a gender identity at the same side of your sex, which requires having a gender identity in the first place. Many non-transitioners don't have gender identities. Someone who claims to be against against misgendering should respect the lack gender identities of those who don't have gender identities instead of misgendering them with false gender identities.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone who claims to be against against misgendering should respect the lack gender identities of those who don't have gender identities instead of misgendering them with false gender identities.

And there it is.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 8 fun2 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 8 fun -  (3 children)

Anyone who identifies with their birth sex is cis.

[–]strictly 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Anyone who identifies with their birth sex is cis.

Knowing your sex is not an identity, otherwise all trans people would be considered cisgendered people of their biological sex, in fact trans people would be considered even more "cis" than other people of their biological sex as they more acutely aware of their biological sex than the regular person due to being so unhappy about it. So unless you are willing to call Chaz Bono a cisgendered woman for aware enough their sex to able to be unhappy about it it would be hypocritical of you to misgender non-trans people with false gender identities just for knowing the same biological facts about their bodies as trans people do.

Also, if it had been true we all had this cisgender gender identity you claim we have, it's strange indeed that we would ask you stop misgendering us with this false cisgender identity. Had we indeed had this gender identity you claim we have we would have felt validated by it, like you, and love being called this gender identity, but it's the opposite. Either people should be taken seriously when they talk about their gender identities, regardless of trans status, or nobody should be taken seriously they talk about their gender identities, regardless of trans status. It seems to me though that you think only trans people should be believed and that's hypocritical to me.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Trans people do not identify with their biological sex.

[–]strictly 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans people do not identify with their biological sex.

And you shouldn't automatically assume non-trans people do either, that would be hypocritical.