GC: Why is there more focus on trans women than trans men?

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[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (24 children)

Chemo drugs aren't hormones.

And once again, hormones are billed as supplements and are perfectly legal to import. Importing Spiro or cypro is not.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

Lupron is chemotherapy. Leuprolidenis used for prostate and breast cancer. Bicalutamide, Enzalutamide, Estradiol benzoate, Estradiol valerate, all Used for prostate cancer. Weird how they’re all listed as rx only but are apparently available otc to kids just like vitamin c.

And the sale of them to minors is also legal? You only ever mention the importation.

It’s certainly illegal in my country to sell children any sort of random pills and injections over the internet. I weep for the US if that’s considered kosher.

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

GnRH agonists like Lupron are not chemo drugs, though. Chemotherapy aims to kill cancer cells. GnRH agonists shuts down the production of sex steroids in the body. That is why they are used to treat certain hormone dependent cancers like prostate and breast cancer.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They are an integral part of a chemotherapy regimen. You think that’s not chemo drugs? Chemotherapy is not just cytotoxins. Believe me I’m experienced with chemo. Of course the fact that there’s zero data on long term effects in healthy kids is just fine and dandy too.

You forgot you explain how rx only drugs are otc supplements legal to sell to children without prescriptions btw

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not Greenquid... I've been very ouspoken about my opposition of transing minors and I agree with you about the selling drugs without rx issue.

I was just saying that GnRH agonists are technically hormonal therapy, not chemotherapy. That doesn't mean they are safe and reversible as TRA says, of course.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah shit my bad. I never look at usernames. If a drug is used to treat cancer it is chemo. Hormonal treatments to delay or slow cancer growth is still chemo.

Unless chemo now refers only to cytotoxic treatment and ignores all the other parts of treatment. Certainly didn’t when I was involved in patient care. Grandmas hormones were part of the chemo and not a seperate treatment.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (17 children)

...okay. Estradiol is technically used for the treatment of cancer, sure. It doesn't change that only one specific type is cytotoxic and it ain't the bioidentical kind. But sure, very dangerous.

I'll keep pushing safe avenues for minors to get treatment, and if medical treatment has been barred from them because some terrible people legislated against it im not going to tell them tough luck have fun suffering bye. And we've already done the whole "is transition effective" game, you made it very clear you just don't believe it is despite not having any credile evidence, so we don't really need to play that game again. Was fun chatting though, maybe make an everything else post and post moon pics if you took any, I wanna see em.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Lol, can’t explain how it’s legal to sell children prescription drugs over the internet without license to sell drugs and no script for the kids buying it but sure, I’m the one who’s bullshitting.

We know all tra will keep pushing for kids to be chemically castrated with zero long term studies proving benefit. That’s why many call tra immoral child groomers.

No moon pics. Prefer to enjoy stuff than snap pics of it.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (15 children)

The FDA regulates hormones supplements as supplements, not prescription drugs. I explained this above.

I call radfems monsters for denying minors access to medical care. Turns out you can really call anyone anything.

Prefer to enjoy stuff than snap pics of it.

Definitely get that, I like pictures to keep for memories though, even if I know they won't turn out well. My silly camera phone tried it's hardest with the last solar eclipse.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Then why are they listed as rx only?

You can call anyone anything but it doesn’t make you right. Like calling transing kids medical care. Like calling cosmetic surgeries life saving. Like calling men women.

What I call tra is based on the words and actions of tra, not an opinion made because tra has hurt my feelings.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

Right but when I call treating dysphoric kids medical care, I have sources to back me up, and when you call that child grooming (somehow?) and try to prevent access to it, you have... What? A study that says puberty blockers offset the biological changes that come with puberty and some assorted study reviews that say trans people are less happy than cis people? Thats it. Medical denialism is medical denialism, even if you dont want it to be.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I call them groomers because of people like alok saying little girls are kinky and because it supports experimentally interfering with puberty to induce desired cosmetic results.

Experimenting on children to make them grow up looking a certain way is peak groomer behaviour.

Y’all have a fucked up idea of what medically necessary is if you can say with a straight face that cosmetic treatments for psychological disturbance is an ethical and medically required route.

[–]Greensquidsphone 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (11 children)

alok

Who? I got doxxed by a radfem can I call you a shitty person for it?

Also i swear none of you actually believe dysphoria exists. It's always the whims of adults with drugs 'experimenting' on unsuspecting, innocent children, as if they aren't already messed up in the head. You don't like the current method of treatment? Then. Provide. Concrete. Evidence. Against. It. Id fucking LOVE to live in a world where dysphoria could be treated without transition. It's not a fun experience, you will be discriminated against, there is nothing I wish more than for dysphoric kids to not suffer.

But that alternative treatment doesnt exist. So stay out of the way of the one we have which is proven to work until it does.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

You can only blame transactivists for the lack of alternative treatments. After all, TRAs are the ones who keep suppresing any research that may go against the party line (1, 2, 3). They are the ones who are keen on label anything other than "affirmative treatement" as "conversion therapy" (4). And don't get me started on the sloppiness of pro-QT researchers... Like the people at the Tavistock who embarrased themselves before the High Court with their apparent lack of capability for keeping patient's data (5). By the way, when TRAs keep driving away any heath care proffessional who question the official narrative (6), is any wonder you're left with unscrupulous doctors who only care about profit and being able to perform human experimentation?

You could admit, at the very least, that a lack of alternatives for "transition" is exactly what QT wants.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Sure, but I’m not blaming you for alok. Im blaming tra as a movement.

Dysphoria does exist, it’s just that the current ‘treatment’ is immoral to give to children who lack the cognitive ability to give meaningful consent.

If the kid is so messed up already, it’s even less reason to interfere with their biochemistry for cosmetic purposes.

Lmao ooooh stay out of the way 😂 like I’m voting in the us and spray painting “die terf scum” equivalents on gender clinic doors. Scawwy internet threats from the same people who literally collapse and feel physically endangered by words is..no threat as all.

Loads of morally misguided people support awful ideologies. You supporting one that claims it’s discrimination not to give children who cannot meaningfully consent to anything, drugs with zero RTC data, to soothe a symptoms of a larger psychological issue is no different.

Cute how you jump right into emotionally manipulative falsehoods like phrasing things as though we all hate children and want to hurt them. Stupid and wrong, but very cute.