QT: A question of ideology

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Why would anyone help someone they stabbed? I don’t get it.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It’s okay to harm people as long as you make a show of slowing the bleeding.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Because when you cause harm you have a responsibility to lessen it. That and the inherent value of human life?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

So is the rapist supposed to ice the vagina/anus of the person they raped and bandage any scraps from any fighting off?

Are you serious?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Well they are already morally failing because they are committing rape, but they have a moral imperative to ameliorate the harm they created as well. Morally they should turn themselves in so they don’t cause further harm and ensure that she doesn’t see them again to prevent trauma. They wouldn’t do that but they are also immoral anyway.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (20 children)

I don’t think I can talk to you anymore, at least not right now. This is fucking disgusting.

Anyone who has been attacked knows to get the fuck away as fast as they can. It’s so incredibly fucked up to call someone immoral for protecting themselves and getting away from a dangerous situation.

You need some serious help. I say this with no snark and no intent to be rude or hurtful- please get help. ASAP. Like I’d pay for it myself if it didn’t mean doxing myself.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

This isn’t just because I don’t like masks, I honestly think they need to be banned permanently for this level of rape apology/rapist support.

There’s the usual tra misogyny, but this is a whole other level of hating women.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I was thinking the same thing. I usually am fine or just mildly annoyed but this makes me really uncomfortable. I don’t know how I could engage with them after this. It’s too much.

But masks got banned when masks was masks (I believe for rape apologia but I could be wrong) and came back as Void so it may not do much.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I asked the mods to take a look and let me know if I’m just being over zealous or picking on them. I’m genuinely frightened by the attitude and ideas tho. I’ve never asked for a ban or inquiry for something that was just annoying or gross either, so I reckon it’s the right call.

The ban evasions must be heaps to handle. Unpleasant work indeed.

EDIT: apparently this is not rape apology or even close. Leaving the community if that’s the case. Bye y’all!!

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

If masks isn’t banned for this shit I may have to block them. I can’t believe this conversation. And I can’t believe I’m being told I’m morally reprehensible for not being willing to stay and tend to someone who raped me. It’s a fucking insane and terrifying level of misogyny disguised as concern for human life.

I have been stunned many times by things that Masks has said. But this is by far the worst to me.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It’s amazing. I am morally reprehensible apparently, because I broke my rapists nose and kicked him in the kidneys and ran away. What an amoral 15 year old girl I was! Getting myself help and not getting him help whilst in shock.

The fact that this extremely sick person is able to freely speak to survivors is horrifying. Gonna be leaving the sub for a bit until I find out if he’s banned or not.

Truly hurt by a man saying I wasn’t acting morally after my own rape.masks is Certainly acting exactly as masks believes men behave.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No bans, apparently nothing masks said is out of line. Taking my leave from the community after mod decision.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Calling 911 once you run isn’t endangering yourself at all. But still light save a life. How is that objectionable to you. I’ve been attacked, by a group no less. I still would have called 911 if I’d hurt one of them.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I literally said I’d call the cops. After I ran away. Thing is, according to you that’s still immoral because the rapist could bleed out before the cops come so the victim immoral for running away or in danger for staying.

A life is a life but if someone is raping people and gets harmed in the process I don’t feel particularly bad for them. Don’t ever talk to rape survivors please. Stay far the fuck away from them.

And get some help. Seriously.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I literally said I’d call the cops. After I ran away.

That’s literally all I said you would need to do. Since it’s still ameliorating the harm.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

The life of the rapists who was raping me at knifepoint and planned to kill me once he was done is so valuable I should avoid seeking help for myself or protect myself further, and should instead provide first aid to the person who five minutes ago was going to gut me like a pig after R A P I N G M E.

Why is this rapists life so valuable that I should endanger mine? What makes this despicable man so much more important than the woman he has attacked?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Why is this rapists life so valuable that I should endanger mine? What makes this despicable man so much more important than the woman he has attacked?

He’s a male.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

DING DING DING My silly woman brain forgot that as a woman I’m supposed to be sweet and nurturing. It’s probably just feminine instinct to make sure a rapist isn’t too hurt because you’ve stabbed them to make them stop.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Calling 911 was on my list of things you could do to help. That doesn’t pose a danger.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Instead of getting myself help, after being raped, you really believe the welfare of the rapist should be my first concern?

Transwomen are in danger by being in the same room as another male but a woman is perfectly safe sitting in the alley with the man who raped her, calling an ambulance and patching up his goddamn arm? What the fuck? What dimension are you from where this is a realistic scenario? That is a sick idea and I sincerely hope you get immediate help.

Is the rapist expected to get me ice and bandages if I don’t stab him in self defense? Is he moral if he does this after RAPING me? According to your twisted dogma he is.

That’s so fucked up it requires a specialist to break down just how sick it is.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It is same ugly misogynistic logic when court enforced rape victim to call her rapist "she" on court, because she could hurt feelings of manly-looking manly-presenting rapist. It is just humiliation on victim and clear insanity.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. Just male wants before female needs in a coat of progressive coloured paint.

Given the mods responses to me I’d recommend all women here move somewhere not moderated by males.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I never said it undid the wrong done, I said there was an obligation to ameliorate harm you make. If he was moral he wouldn’t be raping someone in the first place.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do not want to listen to or see your defenses for claiming a woman owes her rapist help. Please cease contacting me for the rest of time.