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What would a backup group look like? by PeakingPeachEater in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes! I agree a LGBdebatesTQ section would avoid an echo chamber, it will help us analyse our sources of information, even if we know we are right.

I think considering that TQs have stolen most spaces on the internet for themselves (especially on reddit: r/lgbt, r/gay, r/ainbow, r/askgaybros, r/actuallesbians, etc all cater to TQs, and very rarely we see anything related to LGB posted there), it will be best for the TQs not to be allowed to post or comment anything anywhere besides the LGBdebatesTQ section so that LGBs finally have safe spaces that belong to only them as well. If TQs would like to post memes, etc they have places on reddit to do so.

But if LGBdebatesTQ is not enough and you wish for TQs to post in more sections, we could have a "TQ" as well as a "detrans" section separate from the LGB ones where only LGB are allowed to post and comment, in which the LGBs, the TQs and the "detrans" can come together to communicate regarding their experiences.

Ovarit functions in a similar way, except there are no sections to have discussions between TQs and GCs there. One time a TQ wanted to discuss with me, and the mod locked the post so that the TQ would not be able to bother the GCs.

Even in fictional stories, followers of the "gender identity" ideology look to benefit from gay men and gay women's confusion, and instead of helping them accept themselves, they tell them to undergo "sex change" (why can't they leave gay people alone even in fictional stories 🙁) by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you so much for understanding me 🥺

I feel terrible everytime I stumble upon anything homophobic and pro-trans (and the "trans" parts are themselves homophobic, so it becomes double homophobic). I had a tough day as usual and wanted to feel better, but that twisted, homophobic and pro-trans story destroyed all my progress and I ended up feeling perplexed and grossed out.

I think even without the pro-trans parts, I would drop that story because it's homophobic everywhere. Scott is so homophobic, tells stiles "you can't be gay your whole life stiles! Act normal if you can't be normal!", and stiles goes through so much psychological pain because of him. I feel so bad for him.

I wish creators would stop making the gay characters miserable. We see a lot of homophobia and pro-trans people in society as it is, I don't need more of them in fiction 😭

I hope to find good stories from now on.

Even in fictional stories, followers of the "gender identity" ideology look to benefit from gay men and gay women's confusion, and instead of helping them accept themselves, they tell them to undergo "sex change" (why can't they leave gay people alone even in fictional stories 🙁) by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's from a stiles x derek story I picked to read and dropped, especially after those specific lines where one character suggests stiles (who in here is a gay man) undergo a "sex change". Stile's fake "friend" scott makes him miserable and says very homophobic things to him that have made stiles go through internalized homophobia himself and instead of helping him accept himself, his other fake "friends" tell him "sex change is an option" :'(, here you go: https://archiveofourown.org/works/14182794?view_full_work=true

What would a backup group look like? by PeakingPeachEater in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, I feel pleased and honored that you like and agree with my suggestions! I totally agree that a LGBdebatesTQ would be awesome, which is why I suggested it, because many if not most of the people on LGBDropTheT are not GC or feminists, GCdebatesQT wouldn't work for them. We need a space where LGB (even those that are not GC and feminists) can discuss with the TQ 😊

L/G/B people - would you ever want to have kids and if so, through what means? by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No way would I give birth though or expect any partner to do so as it sounds like a horrific experience. Adopting would be the way to go for me.

SAME I'm so happy I found someone that feels me. I hate "pregnancy", it makes me nauseous when I even think about it. The periods I have are enough, they make me downright miserable, last a full seven days, I bleed heavily, my cramps are constant and so severe they make me vomit. I literally can not walk properly even with pain relievers the first three days of my periods because the pain goes to my legs.

Going through that pain every month has made me realize that "nope, "pregnancy" is a no no, a big no". It's a horrific experience, never will I ever want to go through it.

L/G/B people - would you ever want to have kids and if so, through what means? by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I would only adopt if I ever want kids. I hate the idea that adopted kids are less than "biological kids" in society. This is part of the reason kids in the system have terrible mental health issues, they are made to think they are not enough, but they are. And if I ever wanted kids, I would adopt and try my best to treat them as an equal, to give them a good home and to help them understand they are amazing the way they are.

I have no kids at the moment. Either I will go to the grave without any kids, or I will adopt kids. That's a promise I made to myself.

What would a backup group look like? by PeakingPeachEater in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Would you want it to be an exact copy of LGBDroptheT but on a different platform or would you like it more geared/focused on LGB?

We can have both in a platform. I think the other platform should have separate sections, one section being the exact copy of here where we can post memes, make fun of the "trans" ideology, etc as back-up, one more section where we can have discussions with the trans right activists or those that are on the fence/neutral, another section for LGB individuals to vent their anger and frustration. Anyone that believes in "gender identity" should be banned from the sections where LGB post memes, vent and rant though, we can't have them make it worse in the posts and comments when LGB ask for emotional support.

What type of platform would you be interested in for a backup group?(ex. Forums, Discord, Microsoft teams, Mastodon, Facebook, or another reddit/saidit copy but built specifically for the LGB, similar to how Ovarit is for Radfems & women, etc)

I think another platform like ovarit would be ideal. I have no presence on facebook :/

We need a platform that is not dependent on others, an independent platform just for LGB that wouldn't be used to shut down the voices of LGB who oppose the "trans" ideology, like reddit, twitter, etc do.

What type of content would you like to see? (Ex. Research/Articles, TRA receipts, Memes, Life Discussions, LGB Issues, etc)

All of those, we can have separate sections for each like ovarit does.

Any particular thoughts on rules you'd like to keep, change, add or remove?

Anyone that believes in "gender identity" should be banned from the sections where LGB post memes, vent their frustration, speak of the issues that exist within the "trans" ideology, etc. They should only be allowed to post and comment in the section where we hold discussions. They should be able to ask anything in that particular section, we can name it LGBdebatesTQ

Would you prefer the backup to be open to public, restricted-access(ex. Cannot view content unless an account is made), or invite-only to register and view platform?

It should be open to public if it's a forum like ovarit is. If it's on discord, then it should be public, but there should be a verification process. Individuals would have to be asked a few questions such as whether or not they believe in "gender identity", and would have to be given roles based on the answers, so that they would have no access to the venting section, but would have access to the discussion section.

I have seen the trans right activists raiding discord servers from time to time, so the verification process would keep trolls away.

Even in fictional stories, followers of the "gender identity" ideology look to benefit from gay men and gay women's confusion, and instead of helping them accept themselves, they tell them to undergo "sex change" (why can't they leave gay people alone even in fictional stories 🙁) by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am also absolutely disgusted by the creators that make fictional characters "trans", "nonbinary", "genderqueer", or "genderless", even proceed to brainwash the gay characters in their stories to hate themselves instead of accepting reality for what it is and themselves for who they are. They like to see characters being miserable and mentally ill (e.g. "trans", I wouldn't ever want anyone, even a fictional character, to go through the excruciating pain that is mental illness, of any kind. I have anxiety disorders, I wouldn't ever wish it upon anyone even if it's a fictional character because I know how difficult it is, and that these people wish for someone else to go through their mental illness which is thinking they have a "gender identity" is sickness in my view), and they like harassing gay characters and make them as miserable as the followers of the "gender identity" ideology are. Their fantasies show how sick they are in the head, and as you said it shows why they act the way they do in reality when they spend their time creating and/or reading such fiction. 😔

Even in fictional stories, followers of the "gender identity" ideology look to benefit from gay men and gay women's confusion, and instead of helping them accept themselves, they tell them to undergo "sex change" (why can't they leave gay people alone even in fictional stories 🙁)

by GarageCar to /s/LGBDropTheT from (imgur.com)

This whole thread: "Cis is a scientific word, used in chemistry to mean "on the same side; not crossing", which means the word cisgender makes so much sense! And trans people have always existed, there were so many trans characters in ancient stories! 🤪"

by GarageCar to /s/LGBDropTheT from (reddit.com)

According to this list, there are 4 holidays (LGBT pride month, LGBT history month, trans day of visibility, trans day of remembrance) meant to "raise awareness of the trans experience", where are the "gay men day of visibility" and "gay and lesbian day of remembrance"? 🤨 by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I cried a bit when I read your comment. I feel so upset that the genderists helped take everything from gay men and us gay women. I wish I could wrap my arms around you and other gay men here, and hug you all for real, instead of giving virtual hugs but virtual hugs are all I can give right now so hugs :( <3

Oh the humanity: ‘What It’s Like Hooking Up in Cis Gay Spaces as a Queer Trans Guy’ by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If no "trans man" ever goes to glory holes and public sex areas for bisexual and gay men then that's good. All I was saying is if "trans men" ever want to go to these gay men only spaces, they should not be allowed to and should be forbidden to enter such spaces because "trans men" are women, followed by an explanation (e.g. being required to show id, or being frisked by the employees or the police to make sure they are not women trying to get in there, just like how the police in airports, etc frisk people and run their hands along their outer garments to detect any concealed weapons).

The same processes (being required to show id, or being frisked by the employees or the police) should be done to forbid "trans women" from entering the spaces of gay women, because "trans women" are men.

But I doubt that no "trans man" ever goes to public sex areas or clubs for bisexual and gay men. They have multiple times said they go to gay bars, and even work there: https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/70sren/working_at_a_gay_bar/

There have been "trans men" invading gay men saunas and even demanding they apologize for not letting a woman in there: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/02/gay-sauna-criticised-telling-transgender-man-leave-female/

And not to forget, these women even go to the dating apps of gay men.

When these women have gone so far in invading the spaces of gay men, I doubt they stopped there and haven't tried to get into the glory holes and public sex areas for bisexual and gay men.

I've actually heard of gay men seeing "trans men" in their sex clubs. So I was explaining why that's something that shouldn't happen.

"The Gays, the Girls and the Theys"? What does the "Theys" even mean? Does it mean "nonbinary they/them UwUs"? This person is just too rude for me to ask them any questions 🤦 by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. They always do that, especially on social media sites. I've left Twitter for a few weeks now, and stick to YouTube, saidit, etc, Twitter was really bad for my mental health. But back then when I was active in there, these pro-trans people would call me and the others "transphobes" for not having pronouns in our bio. And whenever we asked "why" they thought so they would tell us to "go educate yourselves transphobes. If you don't know why not having pronouns in your bios is transphobic, then you wouldn't ever understand even if I told you why!"

Every conversation with them has been like this:

Pro-trans people: "Trans men are men and trans women are women, so many scientific sources agree with me!!"

Me: Care to share the links to those "scientific sources" you're talking about?

Pro-trans people: "A quick google search will give you the answer to that, go search them up yourself you transphobe!!"

"The Gays, the Girls and the Theys"? What does the "Theys" even mean? Does it mean "nonbinary they/them UwUs"? This person is just too rude for me to ask them any questions 🤦 by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't understand the "go educate yourself" either! It seems lazy to me. If someone really wants others to be educated, they would have to bother responding to their questions, and teaching them, telling them to go do their own research might have the opposite effect. Because then they might go find "sources" that give out false information, and we know the internet is full of those. E.g. even most "scientific" articles are pro-trans and not scientific at all.

I think for pro-trans people, it's a mixture of both being incapable of answering the questions properly, and feeling cool by saying "go educate yourself" and leaving it at that.

They don't know what they are talking about, we tell them something and they keep going in circles and repeating "trans men are men! trans women are women!!!"

But when they don't bother going in the circles, they just say "educate yourself!" to sound cool, their followers or those who are neutral think they are being cool too and go "oh so they know the truth but just don't want to waste their time bothering with the uneducated, makes sense!" eventhough they are not telling the truth at all and they are the uneducated ones here.

Oh the humanity: ‘What It’s Like Hooking Up in Cis Gay Spaces as a Queer Trans Guy’ by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

But what's worse or better is subjective. To you, diseases can be worse than being assaulted and raped by a woman. But in my view, a gay man getting a woman in a glory hole is worse than him getting those diseases you are talking about. The STDs and STIs can be cured, and even in cases where they can not be cured, one can use medication to at least reduce the symptoms of the diseases. And if they are too poor to afford the medication, then in my view, going to the grave is still way better than being raped, and being fed the lie that a "trans man is a man", because those lead to gay men hiding their true authentic selves to do it with a woman. That's conversion therapy, which can result in psychological pain by reinforcing damaging and homophobic attitudes.

Gay men can't undo or reduce the symptoms of a woman taking advantage of the glory holes and sexually assaulting and raping them by making them think they are doing it with a man eventhough they are doing it with a woman. "Trans men" are women, them going to glory holes and doing it with gay men without the gay men knowing they are doing it with women and not men is rape by deception. It is very disrespectful for a woman to obtain the "agreement" of a gay man to engage in dating and/or sleeping with her, and they are doing it by means like brainwashing gay men to think these women are men, it shows a woman's complete lack of respect for the sexual attraction of gay men towards other men, and their boundaries.

In my view, being raped is far worse than getting a disease.

In someone else's view, both being raped and getting a disease can be as bad as each other. And in your view, getting a disease is worse than being raped.

You see, this is subjective. And if a gay man believes him being raped by these women is far worse than him getting those diseases in glory holes, then you should respect that.

It's not up to you to ban glory holes just because you're scared of getting diseases, because unlike you, there are gay men who want to go in there, and are fine with the risks of diseases and are not scared of them like you are. You don't get to ban the place they want to go to just because of a fear you have.

What all gay men (doesn't matter if they are fine with risk of diseases or not) definitely don't want is doing it with women though. We're talking about gay men, not bisexual men who call themselves gay and do it with a woman but say they are gay.

Even for bisexual men, them not knowing they are doing it with women, and not men in the glory holes, is rape by deception. So what should be banned is "trans men". "Trans men" should not be allowed in gay men spaces. Just like "trans women" should not be allowed in our gay women spaces.

Even if the issue of rape by deception didn't exist, gay men spaces are supposed to be spaces for men to date and/or do it with other men. Women are excluded by definition, and should be banned from going to gay men spaces. Even if the gay men space is a glory hole. Not the glory hole itself.

If a man wants to date and/or do it with a woman, then he should go to all these other places that are there for straight/bi people to date and/or do it with the opposite sex. Not gay men spaces that are supposed to be for men to date and/or do it with the same sex. If a man goes to gay men spaces to date and/or do it with a woman then he is violating the spaces of gay men by having a woman in there, and as a result disrespecting gay men.

"The Gays, the Girls and the Theys"? What does the "Theys" even mean? Does it mean "nonbinary they/them UwUs"? This person is just too rude for me to ask them any questions 🤦

by GarageCar to /s/LGBDropTheT from (imgur.com)

According to this list, there are 4 holidays (LGBT pride month, LGBT history month, trans day of visibility, trans day of remembrance) meant to "raise awareness of the trans experience", where are the "gay men day of visibility" and "gay and lesbian day of remembrance"? 🤨 by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're curious where I found that comment, it was on r/ainbow: https://www.reddit.com/r/ainbow/comments/k9swsd/we_painted_the_wall_of_our_school_to_be_rainbow/gf6lznz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

According to this list, there are 4 holidays (LGBT pride month, LGBT history month, trans day of visibility, trans day of remembrance) meant to "raise awareness of the trans experience", where are the "gay men day of visibility" and "gay and lesbian day of remembrance"? 🤨

by GarageCar to /s/LGBDropTheT from (imgur.com)

Is there anything I can do for gay men as a lesbian? by just_lesbian_things in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mhm, I must have confused savior complex with sympathy then? Thank you for letting me know! And of course there are people who assist others, it just has never been my experience which has led me to believe it is a rarity to find actual sympathetic people. Especially sympathetic towards gay people.

What I meant is we have a lack of people with sympathy that is not focused on just one particular group. For instance, someone is sympathetic towards elderly and black people, but then that's where the line cuts off. And this very same person goes around spreading the gender belief, and helping gay men and gay women lose their spaces more and more everyday ...

It's like most people's sympathy cuts off in a certain point, and they show none in other areas that really matter ...

I edited that comment above btw.

Do trans identified females really "pass" as men after taking hormones and going through the "body masculinization surgery"? Or do these women lie when they say to gay men that they "pass" as men after the "body masculinization procedures"? by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't have a hourglass shape either, doesn't make me less of a woman. "Trans men" and "trans women" are uh, what's the word, deranged?. They think a woman that doesn't have big boobs and an hourglass body like those models do is not a woman, which I think is why they think by cutting their boobs they stop being women. Do they realize making the hourglass shape a defining female characteristic has negative outcomes? So many women have gone on strict diets and developed "eating disorders" just to get close to an "hourglass" shape and when they failed they got depressed and thought they are not "real women"...

Is there anything I can do for gay men as a lesbian? by just_lesbian_things in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

savior complexes

I agree so much with this part of your comment, like you have no idea:

my view of the whole "you cant talk about these issues screeeee" is that it's a divide and conquer tactic intended to keep us fighting people who just want to help us, for the imaginary transgression of just wanting to help.

There are people who (wrongly, as I believe) think being saved is 'creepy' and 'weird'. And we can even see them in this comment section. At least my interpretation of this comment is they think it's 'wrong' to save someone: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/6ydx/is_there_anything_i_can_do_for_gay_men_as_a/qfof

I don't agree with that. And believe they and people who think like them are fighting the wrong people here.

I tend to want to assist and save gay men the best I can if I see they face issues, even if they can handle it themselves because it shows I am supportive, eventhough I'm a lesbian, e.g I shut down women who talk about wanting to do something to gay men, are homophobic towards gay men, etc, whenever I see them. Mainly because everytime I had an issue, nobody helped me or even asked if I needed help, and I've started to hate most people because of their lack of willingness to help ...

When someone is drowning, people take their phones out of their pockets and film it to share the video with the others. When someone gets bullied, people watch and then leave. How is that 'good'? How is not helping not 'weird' or 'creepy'?

I don't view being a savior as a bad thing, but as a good thing. I know if I were in a situation where I could handle things myself, and didn't want help, it would still be nice of someone to stand up for me and help me. Not stare and stand by.

It's like when my neighbor brings me a portion of the cake she bakes whenever she does. I never ask for or want the cake, but still I find it a really nice gesture, I find it really kind that she comes all the way to bring some of the cake to me and our other neighbors.

People might think that by being helped they are weak ... With their superiority complex, they think they can deal with everything on their own and are too good to need the help of others. But we are humans, we are breakable, we are weak. Even paper breaks our skin. We break easily, so my view is we should accept that we are in need of help. That we can't be 'tough' everyday. And that we shouldn't be ungrateful when there is a helping hand.

Some gay men might be confused by me, a lesbian, helping them. They might think 'we have nothing in common'. But I think we do ... Yes gay men are men who like men, lesbians are women who like women. On the surface one would think we have no similarities, but we do. For one we are humans. We are both same-sex attracted and in the battle against the TQs and other forms of homophobes.

I believe women (trans men included) should leave gay men alone and stop invading their spaces. Gay men need their own spaces. Like we lesbians need our own spaces.

Even if gay men can deal with these women, and are stronger, that is no excuse for women to invade the spaces of gay men. Just as it is still wrong for a smaller man to invade the space of a bigger woman who can defend herself and knows martial arts.

I want to show these women who invade the spaces of gay men that even a woman can't stand their nonsense, let alone a man. And that I will stick by the side of gay men to throw them out of their gay man only spaces until no woman is left to bother them anymore.

Yes on our own we can't do much. But like you said, we are stronger together.

Do trans identified females really "pass" as men after taking hormones and going through the "body masculinization surgery"? Or do these women lie when they say to gay men that they "pass" as men after the "body masculinization procedures"? by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I went through the same thing as you so I totally get you. I was an 11 year old girl, that was when I started being attracted to girls, before that age I wasn't attracted to anyone really. I was just a nerd who people jokingly said "was married to her books". And in my homophobic country I thought I was a boy for being attracted to girls ... that thought process was disgusting, I was being homophobic and wrong. Very wrong.

I'm just so happy that when I sat down and told my sisters (who turned out to be lesbians themselves) about my disgusting thoughts at the age of 13, they knocked sense into me. It helped they studied biology in school too, so they wouldn't buy the "girl in a boy's body" or "boy in a girl's body" bs. They told me no matter what I do I'm a girl and can never be a boy so I should "get my shit together" and accept it. And I did.

If they weren't against this gender belief themselves, who knows what I would have done to myself, I would probably have done surgery and hormones. I was being a homophobic idiot and my sisters changed me for the better. Everyday I thank them for not letting me drown in the trans bs.

Excuse the rant, I just really really dislike what these trans people stand for.

Do trans identified females really "pass" as men after taking hormones and going through the "body masculinization surgery"? Or do these women lie when they say to gay men that they "pass" as men after the "body masculinization procedures"? by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I feel the same. I didn't know what "trans" was, when I learned what they meant by it and what they do to themselves, I just wished to dig a hole and bury myself in it because that would be the only way to unsee this "gender" mess. :(

Do trans identified females really "pass" as men after taking hormones and going through the "body masculinization surgery"? Or do these women lie when they say to gay men that they "pass" as men after the "body masculinization procedures"? by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

[–]GarageCar[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These are other articles on how "body masculinization surgeries" are done on trans identified females: https://www.ftmsurgery.net/body-masculinization-surgery/#:~:text=Body%20Masculinization%20%3D%20Liposuction,contour%20to%20the%20pectoral%20muscles.

https://www.alignsurgical.com/trans-men/body-masculinization/

https://rumergendersurgery.com/body-masculinization/

And this is the one attached to the post: https://thetranscenter.com/transmen/body-masculinization-procedures/

Do trans identified females really "pass" as men after taking hormones and going through the "body masculinization surgery"? Or do these women lie when they say to gay men that they "pass" as men after the "body masculinization procedures"?

by GarageCar to /s/LGBDropTheT from (thetranscenter.com)

The "non-binary" people: "We make literature, animation and films that detail the they/them nonbinary experience", Translation: "We demand a front row seat on the struggle bus just for us, and eventhough our making characters in stories trans or nonbinary ruins the stories, we need validation UwU"

by GarageCar to /s/LGBDropTheT from (youtube.com)

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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I'm not really convincing anyone that a neopenis is a penis, I believed it was the case, and wanted to know where I'm going wrong in my belief

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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Most of the ones I know, unfortunately, have had very low self esteem. And most of them get breast implants.

That's very unfortunate news. I believe the men who have micro penises smaller than 2-3 inches and the women who have very small breasts have low self esteem because they fear being shamed for having micro penises or very small breasts. In this society, women are expected to have big breasts and men are expected to have big-enough penises. These expectations lead to people who do not meet those expectations feeling shame, being depressed and having low self esteems when they think they are just not good enough like the others and will be ostracized for having small breasts or very small micro penises. These things don't really have anything to do with having small micro penises or very small breasts themselves, since correlation does not mean causation. It is that in a society where people wouldn't get shamed for having micro penises or small breasts, people who have those would not have any mental health issues either

And now the new argument is that biological sex is a spectrum.

They really do not stop at one argument as you said, that time when JK Rowling shared her GC arguments on Twitter, I just clicked on the replies underneath, and though the trans men and trans women there started with "nobody said sex isn't real, it's just gender is different from sex and a trans man is socially a man/male", etc they literally moved to "sex is a spectrum" or even "sex isn't real" in a matter of just 2 tweets afterwards. I'm like, "can you really not see you contradicted yourself?"

I agree with you that patting the trans men and trans women on the back will make it worse, and the frustration you feel is understandable

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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I didn't know the rule was not to "misgender" users, I apologize. I only lurked a few times on that previous GCDebatesQT subreddit before it got shut down by the admins, because I never participated in there I didn't read the rules. Thank you for letting me know about it :))

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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when he was still a she. It was certainly hard determine when he transitioned.

According to the GC arguments, one can not go from a he to a she, or from a she to a he, and that trans men on hormones are still female because hormones and surgeries do not change sex, so I don't see why as a GC you call trans men he instead of she and why you say they became the opposite sex by taking hormones or getting surgeries.

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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I just meant I don't think men with very small penises have mental health issues, what mental health issues would they have? If it's depression, then I would say that's because they get shamed for having a very small penis or it is because they are in a society humans created that they get shamed for their small penises and fear rejection, etc so that leads to mental health issues such as depression. I just don't see how simply having a very small micro penis less than 2 inches leads to mental health issues itself. Would you say women with very small breasts have mental health issues simply because their breasts are very small? Or would you say women who are born with small uteruses, etc have mental health issues?

GC says trans men cannot compete in women's sports if they are on performance enhancing drugs, such as testosterone.

I see, thank you for informing me because I didn't know that part of the GC argument. But GC says a trans man on performance enhancing drugs such as testosterone is a female, so to answer your "do you mean they should be able to compete in men's sports?", trans men should not compete in men's sports. It makes no sense for a female to compete in men's sports no matter how much testosterone she takes, and I think there should be a separate sport just for trans men, because they don't belong in men's sports either.

What do you mean by a "man?"

Here's the part I have an issue. TQs say "man" does not mean male and "woman" does not mean female, and that the words "man" and "woman" refer to the social roles and gender instead of sex. My question would be why can't the word man have a meaning other than male and why can't the word woman have a meaning other than female?

Do you mean these transmen should be housed in men's prisions if they commit a crime?

I think most trans men don't really want to be in men's prisons because they are female, so they shouldn't be in men's prisons.

Do you mean they should be able to wear masculine clothes?

Sure thing, anyone can wear whatever they want :))

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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maybe these transmen are considered about the same class of men as the natal men who lost their penises in some freak accident.

I have a question, you said a transman is not in the same class of natal men who lost their dicks in an accident but then said maybe a transman is in the same class of natal men who lost their dicks in an accident, or am I reading this incorrectly?

Men with micro-penises have serious mental issues from that too.

I have another question here too. Are you saying men with small penises have mental health issues because they have small penises?

Except the one wrestler Mack Beggs, who suddenly fell off the face of the Earth after highschool. I've been watching to see how well he competes against real men, but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. That asshole ruining the wrestling experience for every woman in his district. Selfish cheater.

Don't GCs say trans men are women and can compete in women's sports because they are women? And that trans men can not be him or his or he but that they are her or she?

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I don't care if I put my group at a disadvantage. The issue with your football analogy is you think the races are in a competition and a tournament with each other, that's how a racist looks at it sure. I don't look at black people and go "oh no they are going to win what do I do". I just don't care

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You want to put people into boxes of "liberal" and "others" eventhough I do not agree with either of the parties on various issues. I do not work to advance the interests of the "white race" only, I take into consideration the interests of every "race".

I don't care what these "forefathers" did in the past, what if the "white race" or any other "race" for that matter ended? I wouldn't care. I have my own path to take, they had their racist ones which I do not agree with.

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"Cyanide is both natural and good, cyanide is released from natural substances in foods and plants so you should eat and drink cyanide because muh evolution says so". Don't get me wrong, I'm an atheist and understand evolution, but can't stand it when people like you just take it and use it to push your racism, etc.

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Now you're telling me what I feel? How about this, I know you don't feel disgust towards other races because I just do. Did that work? No? Then don't tell me what I feel and think and don't project your racism onto others. I don't feel fear or disgust towards other races, and I don't belong to any of the political parties, either left or right. Both of the parties are terrible

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So? You're going from "racism is natural" to "racism is good". Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's good. I don't care about you being with "your people", you don't get to go from something like "the brain of most humans has a bias towards other races" to "so don't change anything and continue to have a bias towards other races and separate the races from each other, no mixed raced couples!!!".

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I'm not racist and I don't show fear or disgust when I see mixed race couples (I like mixed race couples more), so your "everyone on earth is racist" is bullshit

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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I didn't mean anything called an eyeball is an eyeball, I meant;

How is the neoeye different from the eye of a completely blind human who just can't see anything with it and what makes the neoeye not an eye? Because the eye of a completely blind human can not see things, but is still an eye, if we pluck that out and put it in a jar, it's still an eye. Why is the neoeye created from the tissue of the forearm, etc any different from the plucked out eye of a blind human that can not function as much as the neoeye can not function?

Answering these questions will definitely convince me otherwise

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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I think the eye analogy is very good, it is the exact same case of taking a different tissue to create an organ (an eye), the same thing that happens with the neopenis

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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I believe a neoeye is an eye, but if I'm wrong and it isn't an eye, then please convince me of why that is

Why is the neoeye created from the tissue of the forearm, etc any different from the plucked out eye of a blind human that can not function as much as the neoeye can not function?

GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GCdebatesQT

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That's a very good analogy walker, this is where my issue begins, if you lost your eye in a tragic accident, and the doctors took the tissue from your forearm and made a neoeye that looks exactly like an eye, can not see things but has nerves enough you can feel things with it, how is the neoeye different from the eye of a completely blind human who just can't see anything with it and what makes the neoeye not an eye? Because the eye of a completely blind human can not see things, but is still an eye, if we pluck that out and put it in a jar, it's still an eye. Why is the neoeye created from the tissue of the forearm, etc any different from the plucked out eye of a blind human that can not function as much as the neoeye can not function?

Question for GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GenderCritical

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That's a very good analogy walker, this is where my issue begins, if you lost your eye in a tragic accident, and the doctors took the tissue from your forearm and made a neoeye that looks exactly like an eye, can not see things but has nerves enough you can feel things with it, how is the neoeye different from the eye of a completely blind human who just can't see anything with it and what makes the neoeye not an eye? Because the eye of a completely blind human can not see things, but is still an eye, if we pluck that out and put it in a jar, it's still an eye. Why is the neoeye created from the tissue of the forearm, etc any different from the plucked out eye of a blind human that can not function as much as the neoeye can not function?

Question for GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GenderCritical

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Thank you Mark, by the way it's good to see you again. I remember you from the GenderCritical subreddit, I was only lurking a few times in there and we didn't really interact but the way you write just makes things click for some reason. Also the handle MarkTwainiac just can't be forgotten because, who can just forget the name Mark Twain, I definitely can't

Question for GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GenderCritical

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This ... this is a very good comment, I understand now that by simply saying man = penis, I am insulting men who had to remove their genitals for different reasons. Would you mind giving a detailed response to these questions in my post regarding neopenis too if you can? I mean these parts;

can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? Phalloplasty, which is the construction of a penis, was originally created for men that weren't even "trans", why weren't their neopenises as real as any other man's penis?

In Phalloplasty, a semi-functional penis is created using the arm skin, etc. This tissue is used to make both the urethra and the shaft of the penis - their urinary tract works the same, they can produce precum, and they use the same erectile devices (the same a penile implant) as non-trans men that get erectile dysfunction and can not get hard on their own do. Take a look at this entire medical company: https://www.coloplastmenshealth.com/erectile-dysfunction/penile-implants/titan-inflatable-penile-implant/

Here’s an FAQ from a well known hospital and surgeon who performs it, who answers questions about sensation: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/center-transgender-health/services-appointments/faq/phalloplasty

The exact quote being: “We do offer nerve hook up. Nerve hook up involves taking the existing nerves from the donor site, such as the arm, and connecting them to nerves located in the pelvis. This allows you to have sensation.”

More medical studies regarding sensation in their dicks: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5505829/

And there are many more articles. With phalloplasty from the leg, referred to as ALT, less nerves can be harvested so there’s often less sensation in neopenis. but most trans men opt for RFF, which is known as the “gold star” of phalloplasty that lets them have more sensations in the neopenis. It seems the neopenis is at least semi-functional since trans men can feel things with them, can pee with them, can release pre cum or cum with them, etc. The neopenis is like the penis of a non-trans man that has erectile dysfunction and needs another device attached to it for it to get hard.

If the penis of a man that has erectile dysfunction and can not get hard on its own so it needs a device called a penile implant to make it go hard and can not release sperm is still a penis, then why is the neopenis which can not get hard on its own and needs a device called a penile implant to get hard and can not release sperm be a penis? Can you explain why?

Question for GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery? by GarageCar in GenderCritical

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Many TQs believe a neopenis is a penis, a male genitalia, and that a neovagina is a vagina, a female genitalia. If you go to r/ftm, etc, you see them say these things, I'm not trolling, I was just curious why they are wrong in their belief that a neopenis is a penis, a male genitalia, eventhough a neopenis is semi-functional and is exactly like the penis of a non-trans man that has erectile dysfunction

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