GC: Can you explain why a neopenis/phalloplasty is not a penis? If a man is something with a penis, then if a man removes all of his genitals in surgery, why will he still remain a man after surgery?

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[–]GarageCar[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just meant I don't think men with very small penises have mental health issues, what mental health issues would they have? If it's depression, then I would say that's because they get shamed for having a very small penis or it is because they are in a society humans created that they get shamed for their small penises and fear rejection, etc so that leads to mental health issues such as depression. I just don't see how simply having a very small micro penis less than 2 inches leads to mental health issues itself. Would you say women with very small breasts have mental health issues simply because their breasts are very small? Or would you say women who are born with small uteruses, etc have mental health issues?

GC says trans men cannot compete in women's sports if they are on performance enhancing drugs, such as testosterone.

I see, thank you for informing me because I didn't know that part of the GC argument. But GC says a trans man on performance enhancing drugs such as testosterone is a female, so to answer your "do you mean they should be able to compete in men's sports?", trans men should not compete in men's sports. It makes no sense for a female to compete in men's sports no matter how much testosterone she takes, and I think there should be a separate sport just for trans men, because they don't belong in men's sports either.

What do you mean by a "man?"

Here's the part I have an issue. TQs say "man" does not mean male and "woman" does not mean female, and that the words "man" and "woman" refer to the social roles and gender instead of sex. My question would be why can't the word man have a meaning other than male and why can't the word woman have a meaning other than female?

Do you mean these transmen should be housed in men's prisions if they commit a crime?

I think most trans men don't really want to be in men's prisons because they are female, so they shouldn't be in men's prisons.

Do you mean they should be able to wear masculine clothes?

Sure thing, anyone can wear whatever they want :))

[–]Yayme 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would you say women with very small breasts have mental health issues simply because their breasts are very small?

Most of the ones I know, unfortunately, have had very low self esteem. And most of them get breast implants.

TQs say "man" does not mean male and "woman" does not mean female, and that the words "man" and "woman" refer to the social roles and gender instead of sex.

Some of them will give lip service to that argument for like two seconds, and then shout on about how TWAW, and they need to be in women's sports, like we divide sports for social reasons, and not biological reasons.

And now the new argument is that biological sex is a spectrum.

They believe that they are women because they believe they are women. That's really all it amounts too. And playing along with them and coddling them is just making it worse. I feel bad for the ones who have legitimate dysphoria. But my sympathy only extends so far.

[–]GarageCar[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most of the ones I know, unfortunately, have had very low self esteem. And most of them get breast implants.

That's very unfortunate news. I believe the men who have micro penises smaller than 2-3 inches and the women who have very small breasts have low self esteem because they fear being shamed for having micro penises or very small breasts. In this society, women are expected to have big breasts and men are expected to have big-enough penises. These expectations lead to people who do not meet those expectations feeling shame, being depressed and having low self esteems when they think they are just not good enough like the others and will be ostracized for having small breasts or very small micro penises. These things don't really have anything to do with having small micro penises or very small breasts themselves, since correlation does not mean causation. It is that in a society where people wouldn't get shamed for having micro penises or small breasts, people who have those would not have any mental health issues either

And now the new argument is that biological sex is a spectrum.

They really do not stop at one argument as you said, that time when JK Rowling shared her GC arguments on Twitter, I just clicked on the replies underneath, and though the trans men and trans women there started with "nobody said sex isn't real, it's just gender is different from sex and a trans man is socially a man/male", etc they literally moved to "sex is a spectrum" or even "sex isn't real" in a matter of just 2 tweets afterwards. I'm like, "can you really not see you contradicted yourself?"

I agree with you that patting the trans men and trans women on the back will make it worse, and the frustration you feel is understandable