I have been doing some reading on Jesus

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[–]iamonlyoneman 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (41 children)

I find it likely that

  • you are going to hell because you are wrong about the jesus

I hope you find truth before it's too late

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

you are going to hell because you are wrong about the jesus

I don't remember Jesus making these kind of threats to people about going to hell if they doubted his divinity, very un-christlike. I seem to recall he said we aren't doing that fire and brimstone old testament stuff anymore, "The Kingdom of God is within you" etc etc

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's not a threat to say "the sun is warm" and it's not a threat to warn people that belief in the Jesus is necessary to have sins forgiven.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Its grossly unchristlike. You show me where Jesus used fear and threats of punishment to get people to believe in him like you just did.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe you can get a refund from whoever was supposed to teach you to think?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe you can get a refund from whoever was supposed to teach you to think?

Now I know Jesus would never have said that. 10 Hail Mary's to atone for your sins

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

John 3:18, but it’s more like a fact then a threat, like “water is wet”.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

John 3:18, but it’s more like a fact then a threat, like “water is wet”.

I asked for Jesus saying this not John. Jesus' last quote is John 3:15

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

John 14:6

John 10:7-9

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Actually he did, but not from himself.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Surely claiming that people are born in sin and require Jebus to forgive that inherited sin is coercion propaganda to attempt to gain followers. I reject the premise that projecting sin on people can in any way be seen as a positive action. Nor is it the same context as stating a fact such as 'the sun is warm', as this is both provable and void of implications, whereas to imply sin is to declare that not only is the sun warm but it's your fault.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fine, it's like explaining a nuclear bomb to bushmen.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

be me

tell someone to get off tracks as a train is approaching

get hollered at for coercion and propaganda

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That train could be my destiny 🤘

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Jews don't believe in Hell, it's an idea adapted from European Pagan belief.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What people can't understand is all these references to "eternal fire" are a way of saying total destruction. The only exception is the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, which is clearly using Greek myths so people of that culture could understand it, and Revelation, which has loads of problems, and even then only the devil is said to be "tormented for ever and ever".

[–]TarBaby 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hell is a Norse myth spelled Hel. Hela, Loki's daughter rules that realm.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

If a person like me is going to hell then I'll be in good company.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

You won't know it. You'll only be conscious of your own torments.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Would a lifetime with boring people in Heaven not be hell though?

[–]iamonlyoneman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Have you ever been amazed by the beauty of anything and it was cool for like 3 seconds?

Imagine being in the presence of something so amazing that it's amazing forever. That'd be God.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You can already talk to God at any time and feel his presence, although some people say that's just ASMR.

What kind of Heaven wouldn't let the interesting people in though, it'd be a shitty club. Sitting there and getting your asmr feelies from God for an eternity sounds awful af.

You're really selling me on Hell here. Although I think that's just a lie we tell ourselves because we fear death. Our continuity comes from our children and maybe even the people's lives we have positively impacted.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Consider that iam is correct in a fashion, but in a weird and not entirely Christian way: when you die, you go to Hell, but you don't know you're in Hell. It looks like something you're already familiar with: the world you just exited. Well, not entirely. You're a little different, you have to start from scratch. You have to learn to eat again. You have to learn to walk again. You have to learn a lot of social things again. You have to go through puberty again. Etc. etc. This is God giving you another chance to get it right.

This is actually what some branches of Buddhism believe (taking some poetic license in the telling).

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's...actually exactly what I was going to say, of course it pops up the second I think about it. There are no coincidences in The Matrix.

The only thing I'd say is this crappy reincarnation process is run by demons and not God. They're the ones who use guilt as an excuse to enslave people, and they also own this place. I bet the demons aka archons are identical to the gods of the pagan pantheon.

[–]IridescentAnaconda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I bet the demons aka archons are identical to the gods of the pagan pantheon.

I think reasonable people can disagree on this last point. The ancients had different conceptualizations of the metaphysical layer of reality. In my opinion, it was more nuanced, but I get that modern Christianity works for a lot of people.

But, yes, in general, reincarnation is supposed to be a curse, not a blessing. If the Christian conceptualization of God is correct -- that He truly loves His creation -- then the only concept of eternal damnation that makes sense to me is reincarnation: it's as eternal as you choose it to be.

[–]Vulptex 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The pagan gods were all a bunch of psychopaths and exactly what you get when you give a human too much power. The Old Testament mixes them up with God, because the ancient Israelites were pagan Canaanites but later didn't want to admit it, so they took all their pantheon traditions and attributed them to the new monotheist God that had been brought to them. I suspect the slaughter of every single person in Canaan was also a story they invented so they could claim to be the originals with no connection to the pagans before them, because biological descent mattered a lot to ancient cultures.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The devil thinks this is funner than you do

[–]jingles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

the jehovahs witness people believe that you either go to paradise after death or you simply fall down on the ground like dung(crap) and that is the end of you.

just a bit of trivia.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They also believe the watchtower society can dictate truth and they made up a new version of the bible to support their fake theology so maybe don't listen to them

[–]jingles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

i was married to one for a minute.. omg.. what a nightmare.. she tried to throw me into a mexican prison, and she almost succeeded.. she stole my children from me.. because she didnt want them to be influenced by a worldly father..

when my daughter was little, she literally thought that i was cooler than elvis.. really.. but now, she is grown up and has a couple of kids of her own... she dont giive a hoot about me... she just gives me that dull jw stare.. they are ordered to not be friendly with non jw people.

i find it difficult to not hate those people.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough.

[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

What religion and sub-religion/church do you believe in?

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

the one a thinking person will believe if he reads the bible without trying to find the hidden gotchas (there are none LOL)

[–]zyxzevn🐈‍⬛ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you are not reading the original.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Actually there are like a million. There'd be far less if it weren't for the deliberate tampering of human hands, but even the faithful original authors made mistakes, and so did the copyists.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Tell us you don't believe God can do anything but use different words

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You're wrong about hell. Even the Old Testament didn't have that, clearly it's an invention by the church used to control people using fear, and is 100% based on pagan Greek myths about the underworld. Neither "heaven" nor "hell" are actual words in the original texts, they were changed by the translators.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nice guy Jesus brought it up.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Show me where you think he did and I can show you why he didn't.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Matthew 10;28.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Close, but no donut. The Valley of Ben Hinnom was an accursed place where Jews burned garbage constantly, and also creamated and buried bodies. Corpses would decompose there, thus their "worm never dies". This is not some cartoonish place where demons run around burning everyone, this was a real place on earth. Later Rabbinic Judaism made the concept more like Purgatory, but there's no evidence of this view in the New Testament. It is always associated with total annihilation, and it is not clear whether even this was actually meant or merely used as a colloquialism.

If you suffer punishment you will get an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, an ideal Jesus opposed in favor of mercy. That means archons want to have you reincarnated to suffer as much as your guilt will allow them to force you. But now we have a way to remove it.