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[–]socks 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Sorry to argue - but Reddit did not start as a ground for free speech. Reddit - when it started - would run surveys, where we learned that most of us were in our early 20s and worked in IT. There was no discussion of "free speech" - in the political sense - as the site continued much of the bulletin board style discussions that existed in the 1980s and 90s. It was a news aggregator site. I could say more about it, and the corporatization, but my point regarding 'free speech' is that ALL social media and news aggregator sites interpret this to their own purposes, and it's become a talking point specifically for the 'radical right', who are traditionally the loudest and most aggressive in a network, and can use this free speech approach to their own benefit and to attack others (see Gab, Ruqqus, Parler, &c). Reddit and other sites will delete disinformation and misinformation, partially because much of it is pushed by highly organized, well-paid propaganda companies, shills and influencers, in order to manufacture consent (eg. re. Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent' and many other publications, including Lasch's 'The Culture of Narcissism', &c). For some of us on these websites our "free speech" is valued, and for for others, it isn't. Discourses on all social media and news aggregator websites are constructed. They're not purely organic developments of free speech.

[–]TheAmeliaMay 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

the 'radical right', who are traditionally the loudest and most aggressive in a network

I'd argue it's the radical left, because left-wing extremism has become the norm on websites like Reddit. The only reason you notice the alt-right is because they aren't as common as the alt-left — and usually what's considered "right-wing" is anything a step to the right of Karl Marx. I'm a Centrist, and they think I'm basically Hitler.

Reddit and other sites will delete disinformation and misinformation, partially because much of it is pushed by highly organized, well-paid propaganda companies, shills and influencers, in order to manufacture consent

Yeah, they'll get rid of misinformation they don't like, but nine times out of ten they remove content with the express purpose to manipulate the narrative and push an agenda.

[–]socks 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Agreed on many of these points - though I would still argue that the 'left' is traditionally weak in the face of the right-wing aggressive tactics, disinformation and misinformation. I think Neoliberalism has failed because of this weakness. In my view, Obama failed in his second term because he would not work on executive orders that would challenge Republicans. He was weak and lazy, in my view. Trump, on the other hand, did not do anything presidential, and instead helped his handler's fuck up the US. These aggressive Republications pushed an extremely hostile agenda during the past 4 years, that continued to support the 1% at the expense of the 99%.

[–]TheAmeliaMay 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

There's a major difference between how Democratic Presidents act in office and how literal Communists controlled by the CCP act on the Internet. Even then it isn't about strength, but rather who controls the website. Moderators get to control which group dominates, and it's usually the left.

Honestly, both parties have been weak since the Roosevelts. The reason establishment Republicans hate Trump so much is precisely because he's aggressive; the GOP isn't supposed to do anything, their job is to keep the Democrats from doing anything.

The Democrats's job is to either offer legislation people like so it can be struck-down by the GOP or to propose "compromises" that people don't like, but will allow them to ignore the issue for years. That's why establishment Democrats didn't like Bernie: he wanted to actually get stuff done.

Trump and Bernie are both pretty weak, though. Trump couldn't even ban a Chinese spy-ware app (TikTok), and Bernie didn't even make demands when he dropped out and endorsed Biden.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Puppets Obama and Trump did exactly as they were supposed to do.

It's just ONE war-hawk party with two flapping wings distracting us/U.S.

Class war has always existed, but it's getting worse as they resort to any means to control. All of this has been planned long ago and is now being executed, from The Great Reset for their /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030 to the perpetual doom and gloom about the crumbling American Empire and rise of China.

It's all smoke and mirrors and a fancy charade as valid as this lockdown caused by hysteria an impotent "pandemic". 100% manufactured crises for disaster capitalism vultures to swoop in.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This post by OP reads like a hammy Chinese shill introduction.

Recap ambiguous censorship grievances.

I hate it so much that any time i post on Facebook or Reddit, that we should question the official narrative as it makes no sense.


my comment gets deleted and i get banned.

Also, wat?

Then there's talk about mod stuff.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Good skeptical eye!!!

I just thought it was simple and/or lazy and or youth spouting off and/or someone gonna promote crypto stuff. Strange I hadn't considered shills/infiltrators.

But now that you mention it. It didn't sound authentic to me either. This summer and fall I red pilled my neighbour, often playing chess. Building and moving shit and then fucking up my back it's been months. But yesterday I went up for a game of chess (and I lose 99%) and I brought my fave documentaries and some other stuff he'd like so we watched the first half of "Who Is Bill Gates?" by James Corbett. Last year I tweaked his shit up good and finally got him Internet - a whole other story. He's a Facebook junkie and not tech savvy at all. Only because of my extreme outspokenness he's managed to remain completely skeptical of all this shit - and he now gets in battles on Facebook with folks he knows. Unfortunately they don't have the skills to debate and turn folks civilly through compassionate convincing.

Today I warned him, again, to not get too extreme on Facebook or they'll shadowban (a new term for him today) or simply ban him and he'll lose ALL his contacts.

Today we watched the second half of the Bill Gates docu. He's hated Gates since this summer via me. The first game started great with me but then I lost. The second he beat me in 4 moves - again. The third game I won!!! That's like #4 or maybe #6 for me. To be fair, the documentary distracted us both.

In summary, I didn't care enough about the OP to even look up what a DAO is, nor did I care to bother debating the buy in idea because that can obviously always be bought out. Trust is earned by actions over time. If those fuckers want to infiltrate they have to earn "authenticity" the hard way.

Tao Of Pooh... Banned in China?

[–]icebong[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Don't feed the trolls. This were were we all report him for "Dragging down discussion on Pyramid Of Debate". Most of the times trolls will continue with the left/right illusion, I think that's a dead give away. Also calling out the government these days automatically make me a communist chill.

It's becoming too obvious.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Turns out I LOVE THE DAO IDEA!!!

However, I stand by my comment that Tom was clever being skeptical where I wasn't.

However, Tom also calls many shills that I won't without proof, though they may often display shill behaviour.

/u/Tom_Bombadil is our first line of defense.

[–]icebong[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes it did. Aaron Swartz(1986-2013), co-founder of Reddit who stood for free speech. Do not let Reddit erase him. They killed him in the end.

[–]socks 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I agree he was killed. I'm still upset about it. He also made significant contributions to public access to information, which is possibly what got him killed. As for free speech, while he was briefly part of Reddit, I agree that he had that interest (as noted in his complaints about Condé Nast), but his interests were not necessarily shared with Steve and Alexis, or especially Condé Nast after their first year (hence Aaron was fired in Jan 2007).