Its all part of the plan

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[–]ReeferMadness 22 insightful - 4 fun22 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Trump has deescelated conflict more than any other president in modern history. To the extent that he didn't go far enough I would blame his deep state advisors. He should have known better than to trust them. But given all available information I am willing to give him some leeway.

[–]Drewski 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Eh, I'll grant that he didn't start any new wars which is more than we can say about other recent presidents. And, he did deescalate the tension with North Korea. But afor his cabinet, if he really wanted to end the wars why nominate hawks like John Bolton, Mike Pompeo, Jim Mattis and other swamp creatures like Jeff Sessions? You can only excuse so much from ineptitude.

And for actual actions, so far he's done little to remove troops from the middle east like he promised. It's hard to get an accurate gauge of troop counts, but to my knowledge all he's done is shuffle them around a little. Take a few out of Syria, send some to Iraq... I know he's ordered a bunch home from Iran and Afghanistan by Jan. 15, but he's had 4 years to do it and it seems like too little too late. And don't even get me started on Yemen, the greatest humanitarian crisis of our lifetime that the US is totally complicit in, and nothing but radio silence from Trump.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

^ This.

 

There's barely any difference who's president. Why would Trump need to start any wars when he's got The Great Reset in his back pocket to lock down the entire world?

Think people, and hold on to your skepticism of all with power. You don't fucking know any of the ruling class and they don't give a shit about you. You owe them NOTHING, certainly not praise for only being less of a murdering tyrant.

[–]cottoneyejoe 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (17 children)

This graphic is 75% accurate.

[–]Extract 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

Fact Check: Mostly True

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

ahh, if it was only a drone picture

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Wait -

Biden isn't in office

Trump admin - arranged proxy wars

Obama admin - arranged proxy wars

Bush admin - should be all 4 pictures

This propaganda the supposed similarity of all politicians only serves the extreme right-wing goal to reduce government to a corporate puppet show.

[–]BigFatRetard 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The extreme right wing position that we shouldn't be bombing people?

If that's the extreme right wing position, then seig heil.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Love the username!

I refer to right-wing bellicosty under Bush Jr's Admin (esp. his team, Israel's influence &c), responsible for up-to 650,000 deaths, and numerous continual problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Pretty sure the point of the comic is that US attacks in the middle east started under Bush, continued under Obama, hasn't ended under Trump, and won't end under Biden.

It's been over a decade since Bush was in power. We can't blame him for the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan at this point. It's on the people who refuse to get out.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You do realize that the destabilization and other problems started by Bush/Rove/Rumsfeld &c (and extending back to Reagan and earlier) have required years of work to get the US out of those areas, and may never end completely. This isn't about blame. It's about our understanding of the trajectory of events.

[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Funny, when Obama ran, he seemed pretty keen on getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and closing down gitmo.

What's a few major platform promises between friends?

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    Where do you get your information? Have you not noticed what the US has done in the Middle East in the past 4 yours, especially by proxy? Interesting that there are people like you who've completely missed this.

    [–][deleted]  (3 children)

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      " To protrude or bulge"?

      https://www.thefreedictionary.com/starting

      [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        dude....

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Yemen isn't a proxy war, enlisted military have been telling the Sauds where to bomb.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        The US and other countries are making $billions on the wars they've stirred up in the Middle East, and Yemen is only one example of this. And like Yemen, all of the countries suffering from these proxy wars have the US to thank for much of the conflict, famine, genocide &c (see also the UK, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Russia &c). See the US as an investor in military conflicts rather than in the traditional form of war. This keeps the military industrial complex in business. The resulting human suffering is extensive.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes that's why we're here meming about it and properly calling it out as official deep state policy. Maybe Trump will buck the trend but Obozo certainly did not.

        [–][deleted] 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (12 children)

        I don't like Trump but he was anti-war moreso than any other President since Jimmy Carter.

        [–]Drewski 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

        He is anti-war the same way Reagan was anti-big gov't. He talked the talk, but he didn't walk the walk.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

        I don't think he could and keep any chance for reelection. That I think speaks to the powers he was beholden to. Trump has been pretty well documented as being against war his entire life.

        [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

        You do know he's bombed more than Obama who bombed more than Bush.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

        Really, I wasn't aware. The wars seemed so low key.

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Sales of munitions need not correlate with dead bodies on the ground. The military industrial complex couldn't care less if the bombs land in the ocean as long as they are paid for as they leave the factory.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        That may be so, but in addition to the profits of the war machine their primary stated purpose is the War Of Terror.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        Do they though? It costs a lot of money to properly dispose of old munitions. I always suspected that was a secondary goal of the Iraqi/Afghan conflict, we dumped a whole lot of old ordinance on their heads. Killed two birds with one stone.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Yes I never thought of that. All those bombs would have a shelf life, plus you need to clear them out to make way for the next generation weapons. It will be interesting (and alarming) to see what gets dropped when the next big war goes nuclear. It will of course, in the heat of battle some paki or indian or french idiot will let one off and then it will be a free for all. Perhaps the french will nuke themselves this time and save all the embarrassment of invasion and kowtowing.

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        As intended. Now THAT'S the new normal since 9/11.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Reminds me of the Libyan action, if I hadn't read about it on reddit I never would have heard about it. Nobody mainstream was talking about it. Even now I'm not entirely sure what happened.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        We'll see how it goes in Trump's waning days. You know they're handing him Iran aggression plans on silver platters.

        [–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Well, apart form the de-escalations, the assassinations instead of war with Iran, then troops being pulled out, the oil industry interest in Syria being exposed etc.etc.etc.

        Yeah, trump's totally a war hawk killer man /s

        [–]VirgilGriff 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        Ah yes, all those wars Trump started and all those troops he sent overseas

        [–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        Nonsense. He's still a war criminal.

        [–]VirgilGriff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Didn't start any wars

        Is a war criminal

        OK

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            [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

            No but my date was.

            [–]Optimus85 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

            "The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact." -George Orwell

            [–]Hellothereawesome 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

            "in jesus name" lets kill more vietnamese and muslim children.

            [–]Sw0rdofDam0cles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            It's all part of the plan.

            ftfy.

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