Elon Musk suggests “childless” people should lose the right to vote …

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[–]BobOki 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

I think childless people should only have to pay a small % of taxes to the schools though. Why should I pay $8k a year for Rashandas 5 kids when she pays only $500?

[–]Masterblaster 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Because you were once a child who attended school. In that sense, everyone is a recipient of public schools.

[–]passionflounderIndependent 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

everyone is a recipient of public schools

It takes half their adult life to recover from the damage.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If I paid for my own education and that of my kids I would get better education for far less money. The system is a scam for everyone except the leaches.

[–]TemporarilyDeceased 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh good, this must mean that everyone should be required to send money to the private school that I went to.

[–]BobOki 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct, I was, and my parents paid for it. I don't mind paying taxes for school, it needs to be done for sure, I mind paying the same as parents, or in MANY cases more. I don't have kids, never will have kids, and do not deserve to be fucked in the ass once again because Melinda hooked on crack has 4 kids, or in my actual case, the school has decided the way to go is to blow 80k on a coffee shop in their school while the teachers are underpaid and they have a 7 million surplus. Oh... and they SUE people in the neighborhoods to re-appraise homes to make them pay MORE taxes.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/kwU1_plW3L0

[–]Daerice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. It's a "first world" thing to educate the populace. We can both claim to be a developed nation and discard public education. Criticism of schools is fair. Could we do better? Yes, and we should. Also, even though I'm child-free, I'd rather pay for public school because I don't want to be surrounded by ignorant people - or followed by hordes of homeless, begging children.

[–]BlackhaloIndependent 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because you benefit by not having those kids on the street, or rifling through your garage.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, not worth $8k a year.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Public schools are fucked.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You should be taxed per child.

There are resources that they consume that belong to us all.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

What resources are they consuming that belong to you?

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Wilderness areas.

Atmospheric composition.

Indirectly, ocean productivity.

Potable water, depending on where they live.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

  1. None of that is yours.

  2. Everything they use their parents pay for, unless they are leaches who live on welfare.

  3. Taxes are the system by which leaches consume the product of other's labor.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

  1. They belong to us all.

  2. No, some things they use being to the commons. Such as those things i listed.

  3. The US national debt is already damaging the economy. Your children will be better off if you started to pay it back.

[–]Canbot 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

  1. Then they owe you nothing for using it. Maybe you should be paying them to use it.

  2. The national debt was incured by jews printing money and stuffing their pockets. You can't "pay it off" because the printers keep printing.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Then they owe you nothing for using it.

They're becoming depleted.

Maybe you should be paying them to use it.

Maybe. But until we can measure how much were depleting those resources globally, we have to consider what we can do.

The national debt was incured by jews printing money and stuffing their pockets. You can't "pay it off" because the printers keep printing.

The federal government is spending more than it earns. There's two possible end points. Default and economic collapse or bringing tax into line with spending.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Bailouts should not be considered "government spending". It is embezzlement. Untill that is stopped nothing else matters.

The proper thing to do is to collect all that money through force, jail the culprits and make sure it can't happen again.

Until that time it is stupid to suggest others should pay down the deficit.

[–]EddieC 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The proper thing to do is to collect all that money through force, jail the culprits
make Direct Change: shift to Direct Systems
and make sure it - the scam - can't happen again.
 

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Untill that is stopped nothing else matters.

A default on the default on the US debt would matter. TBH, it would matter more that cleaning out corruption, which is also important. (And in turn leads to the unnecessarily large and therefore expensive debt.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think as developed country birth rates decline, it makes sense to subsidize people having children via taxes. What form that takes can be up for debate of course, but the simple issue is that while you should certainly be within your rights to decide whether or not you have kids yourself, kids are necessary for the continuance of society and for supporting you when you reach old age, unless you like the idea of society complete falling apart when you are too old to care (at which point the few kids that are around will simply do whatever they want to you anyway regardless of what is legal if there is nobody around to protect your interests anymore).

Why should I pay $8k a year for Rashandas 5 kids when she pays only $500?

Because the alternative is they don't go to school and become retarded street urchins likely to join a gang and fuck up shit worse than if they are stuck in an indoctrination center most of the week learning how to be factory workers or corporate drones to prop up your lifestyle.

[–]BobOki 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again I agree we should all pay taxes, I also agree without good schools our already well below world average kids will be even worse, I just do not think childless people or the elderly should have to as much or more than those with children. They already get their child deductions which we pay for, I do not see why those of us without or those that cannot afford it should be basically subsidizing them.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Two reasons. One it needs to be economically viable for people to have and raise children. Otherwise they will not and society will collapse.

Two it is in any democratic societies best interest to have children be educated. And you being a part of society share this same interest. Alternatively we could take a very libertarian approach to education but the result is that you end up with a lot of bored youth who are of course a prime resource for anyone with profit or power motivated ideations to take advantage of.

If there is one socialist ideal that I am in favor of it's public education. Not to say our current system isn't deeply flawed and filled with problems, but a lot of that is because the schools reflect powerful interests rather than the interests of the society they serve at large.

But to put it in very simple terms. I'm happy to pay to have my poor black neighbors kids sent to school. Because in the event that their home life is fucked up beyond belief, that does give them a potential out. And ideally if the kids are in school learning how to make money then the less likely they'll see gangbanging as desirable future.

Now our schools fucking suck at this last point. But that's an issue with crappy schools and not schools inately.

[–]Feldheld 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A bit missing the target. A childless person today could be a person with a child tomorrow.

The right to vote should however be restricted to people who pay taxes. Because only those who pay know what it means to earn the money the government then spends. In our election systems half the people vote other people's money into their own pockets. This can only lead into a societal collapse.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So they get to start voting when they start being invested in the future health of this country.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay. That’s fair. What’s the cut off?

[–]UncleMat 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Elon Musk, the right-wing billionaire and deadbeat dad who’s hellbent on destroying Twitter, has now outright opposed suffrage for people who don’t have kids.

That is a great start to the conversation.

I agree with Elon. Also, people who castrate their children should be incarcerated.

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

They are partially right on "deadbeat dad", ill give them that.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

What’s a deadbeat dad?

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Someone that leaves their kids for their own devices. Musk has children with terrible names, terrible upbringings and is on his what, fourth marriage? Breeding for the sake of breeding is only barely not as damaging as not having children at all.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

What do you think about a father who has no job, and can’t provide for his children?

But is there, present, and loves his kids?

[–]Rah 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Highly depends on why he cant provide. If he is invalid physically, then its noble. If he is healthy and can look for something, its only circunstance. If he has a sugar momma, and is raising his kids, thats a terrible example and he is not a good father (better than an absent one that left the kids on purpose, however)

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

We need men to do everything. Work, make tons of money, some how be there for the kids, not get his kids stolen from him in court, etc.

So basically, men have to be perfect. There’s no winning here.

[–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Then don't make kids, be like jet199

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I like jet. I’m pretty sure he hates me. Lol.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

That person only likes smelly jews

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You can try your best, and by doing so, you will do God's order so that you also attempt your best to live by His word. If it is demanding that you do everything, do it. Winning is not described by not losing, but rather doing everything in your reach to win.

The only 100% losing bet is not trying; you may lose less, but the conscience clawing your head will eventually become unbearable. Seen it too many times to count.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So, as long as I am trying, and putting in effort, you would say I am not a dead beat dad?

And with elon musk, what is he suppose to do?

I realize he is not there, but he’s a billionaire. He works a lot.

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well if you are trying to be a good dad, and it shows, no, of course you are not.

Elon Musk could have stuck with his wives and not separate. But none of his marriages were sanctified by God, so he separated.

First I said that he is not that much of a great father, but not a complete "deadbeat", hence, at least he shows he tries to be a somewhat good father. The issue is twice he didnt try hard enough for his children. I dont know the circunstance of his separations, but he consented and didnt fight for them; as difficult as it is, a father must fight for his family, for the sake of his children, despite of the shortcomings of his wife.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

His kids never wanted for anything.

You can say he was an absentee father because he worked long hours. But he was never a deadbeat.

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thats why I said "partially"

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's nice that they display their insanity upfront.

[–]UncleMat 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Musk is hoarding nearly $250 billion while children are forced to pay off “school lunch debt,” and supporting politicians who are content to watch the planet burn as long as rich people stay rich. Just over the last couple years, as Musk has blamed people who don’t have kids for the supposed collapse of society and attacked birth control and abortion, he’s fired Tesla workers who take parental leave, railed against programs for federally subsidized child care, laid off employees mid-IVF cycle, and all but eliminated the company’s once-generous IVF coverage, too. (Musk had five kids using IVF.)

This can all be up for discussion. But it doesn't sit well at the end of a hit piece.

[–]passionflounderIndependent 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't collect any taxes from them.

[–]MagicMike 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“ A man who has fathered 30 children by 11 different women is asking the courts to give him a break from paying child-support.

Desmond Hatchett, 33, of Knoxville, Tennessee, has reportedly set a Knox County record for the number of children he has managed to reproduce with individual women, including one who worked for Victoria's Secret.

However, Hatchett is claiming to be a victim of his own success with the ladies, as he has become unable to make child-support payments and was back in court again this month asking for help.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146545/Man-fathered-30-kids-11-different-women-says-needs-break--child-support.html

He can vote.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Targets queers and troons so it won't happen.

[–]smsfree 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

this i do not agree.

first i thought he's somewhat of a citizen musk. still not quite sure about that.

[–]at_finn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am a veteran, I earned the right to vote...fuck him. He isn't even a native.