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[–]GuyWhite 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

God bless America.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

They may need them ...
but even an armed citizenry will soon present no obstacle to tyranny,
as governments will increasingly transition to drones and other automated systems,
able to kill en masse, without courage or ability, from complete mechanized safety.

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's already the case, and frankly has been for a long time. Even when all they had was tanks.

Guerilla warfare is a thing and will happen in many, many different scenarios. But........ when the rubber meets the road, the playing field between the govt. and the populace isn't equal like it was during the Revolutionary War.

Few people understand successful revolution tactics, and in this day and age, it has zero to do with violence.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

These are excellent points.

An important aspect of the USA and French revolutions
is that mass-production allowed the people
to basically have the same weapons (guns) as governments
and there were far more people than government mercenaries (police/army, etc), so ...

Before that, the expense and widescale unavailability of armour and quality weaponry
meant that e.g. a team of ten armoured knights on horseback could decimate entire villages of villeins,
something that helped prop-up feudalism.

We do now seem to be moving back towards some neo-feudal (but high-tech) situation.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't say that revolutions, or resistance to tyranny, has zero to do with violence.

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I guess my point is, the govt. has an answer for violence. And not just an answer, but it gives them an excuse for their own violence. An excuse that would be accepted by the common useful idiot.

Look at the "peaceful protests." What was people's issue with it? Why were people okay with law enforcement pushing back even on peaceful people? Well it was teenagers with fireworks and BlackBloc behavior.

Why did they infiltrate Occupy with feds that were inciting violence? To create an answer for pushback and overreach.

J6 anyone?

The govt. does not have an answer for grandma's and children at the front, smiling at the cops/military and saying "we aren't paying the bills anymore." They are us too, and they need to be shown that.

To topple power, the pillars of power, or at least some of them, must be removed. Violence won't put a dent in one table leg.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Again, excellent points.

So, I guess that, though you're right on every point,
my own is that citizens must ... somehow ... fight to regain a balance of power
between themselves and the regimes/governments/bureaucracies
that claim to represent them, but more and more disingenuously.

I seem to agree with the old 'I'd rather a government fear its citizens than the other way around'.

[–]SMCAB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't disagree at all, I just see that "fight" in a different context. Not a physical one, but a sacrificial one.

You know what, I don't think for one second or have any delusions that what I said is possible, but I do believe it to be the only one tactic that would work.

If you're interested, a lot of this is gone over in detail by a man called Gene Sharp. He has several books, and a documentary called How to Start a Revolution. He goes over the successful peaceful revolutions in the history of the world, and breaks down why he believes non-violent revolution is the key against western govt.

I agree with your last statement as well, and I firmly believe they aren't scared of me and my AR-15, or me and 1 million of me and our AR-15's. That's light work for them. I do however believe they are more scared of you and I having this conversation times a million.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Technology can be captured and repurposed.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But where do you get the skills and training to use it?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Any technology that requires skills and training is useless in the field because the only soldiers who will continue working for the tyrants are low IQ goombas. Technology has to be user friendly. Anything that isn't will quickly become more effective in the hands of the resistance because of their superior intelligence.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OK, what button starts the F16 engine? https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=f16+cockpit

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're moving to drones, one big reason is they know high iq pilots will join the resistance

That might be what happened on 9/11, a good guy went against orders and shot a missile down

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

*which

Give me an f16 and I'd get it started within 15 min.

[–]SMCAB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I always thought it was weird that we have so many guns.

Please don't misunderstand, you'll have to remove my guns from my cold dead hands, but how many could I really need?

The liquid gold is the ammo, and I have a FUCKTON!

[–]Rah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The simple answer is: there is never enough guns to supply a civilian batallion.

[–]SMCAB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I hear that, I kind of just meant on a personal level.

I'd rather have three firearms and endless ammo than 17 firearms and ammo for two of them. A lot of my buddies came to mind when I saw the title.

[–]Rah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is that preserving a firearm for a hundred years is easier than a hoard of ammunition. Both arguments make a lot of sense, and its all about the two sides recognizing entropy is a thing, and despite things making a lot of sense, sometimes stuff go to a way that makes fiction look bland, and its at that time when things that dont make much sense save people. Such as the survival master from the Balkan wars who relied on selling lighter fluid during the conflict

[–]boston_blackie[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yep I know what you mean. In the book Bad Times Primer, he talks about each gun should be standard calibers (easy to find ammo) and have a mission; pistol 0-7 yards, shotgun 3-30 yards, rifle 30-300 yards. As long as you follow those guidelines you're in good shape. Standard calibers 22,38, 380, 9mm, 45 acp, 12ga., 223, 5.56mm 7.62x39 and .308 is a good basic mix.

[–]Rah 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The submachine gun/SBR role is needed for 50-125 yards in urban combat.

Uncommon but widely used calibers are still a necessity for ammo preservation.

[–]SMCAB 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, I have a lot of buddies that have a lot of guns and no ammo for them. It just always struck me as odd. Of course there are collectors, I get it.

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Something's gonna give, and when it does I want to be far, far away from the USA.

[–]RankAssPalace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol the legal mind trully knows no bounds

[–]SoCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

With crime increasing, gun grabbers full throttle trying to take ways your Constitutional rights, and the increasing dystopian authoritarian communism this country has slipped deeply into, I'm not surprised. Giving cause to need a gun, will ensure more are sold.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Liberal Progressives want to get rid of the First and Second Amendments.

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is because Biden and Liberal Progressives want to ban all guns so when they grab people for sense offense they can't fight back. Ask the Native Americans about when they had to give up their guns, don't and buy some more!

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is why there's so much money in politics distorting the second amendment.

[–]ShoahKahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They will need it... For once the Jew unleashes its schvartze hordes on the golems of its Vichy state, it will be a bloodbath.

[–]dissidentrhetoric 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biden wants to ban gun shows, will be interesting to see how this turns out.