Uvalde photo is not what it seems…the cop who was checking his phone in the school...was being contacted by his wife, a teacher who had been shot and was dying

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

are you on the police apology tour now rabbi? those pussies still stood down.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

everyone who reads a cop's wife was dying while he was on duty is a jooooooo

smoke less drugs

[–]raven9 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

The general online reaction to Uvalde shows the internet is now dominated by morons. Those cops all knew the shooter was waiting for them to try and enter with his weapon trained on the door. He had already opened fire on the first two cops that tried to open the door and narrowly missed hitting them. They all had to know if they tried to open the door again and enter at that time they would have just compounded the situation by becoming a bunch of dead and wounded people right there in the hallway.

I seriously believe this mass stupidity that demands the cops be punished for not doing that has something to do with the pandemic. It's like what would have been considered common sense just a few years ago has now completely evaporated and has allowed a more primative, vindictive witch hunt mentality to take over. In 2020 a neuro-scientist named Kevin McCairn who was studying the research into SARS-CoV-2 predicted this. He talked about the virus ability to breach the blood brain barrier in a similar manner to rabies, and that prion domains in the virus would cause degenerative brain disease. I wonder if we are already seeing that.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

The police procedure and policy that they had just trained for is to engage the shooter to prevent mass casualties

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

^ this. There was a mass shooter drill at the local high school days before this event. Police, as well as all other adults, should prize the lives of innocent children over their own . . . especially when the cops have bulletproof armor.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Bulletproof armour? You actually believe cops have armour that proects against rifle bullets. Wow.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They were loitering in the hallway with ballistic shields that would stop a proper .30-06 and the dude had only a .223. They could have gone in and taken him sooner, if they only would.

We know this is the case, because eventually they went in and got him.

If they hadn't gone in and finally done the job, it would be schrodinger's dynamic entry, but they did. That it worked eventually says it would have worked before more children died.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They were loitering in the hallway with ballistic shields that would stop a proper .30-06

No they did not. They had Level IIIA shields. They are rated for pistol rounds.

That it worked eventually says it would have worked before more children died.

No it does not. You have no idea what the police had learned by that time that they didn't know to begin with. The gunman was probably calmed down. He may have been ready to give himself up for all we know. They may have had a means of seeing what he was doing by that point.

The bottom line on this is from outside in the corridor all the cops knew is they had an active shooter that was probably using multiple children as a human shield and had the entrance door covered by rifle fire. Only ape level intelligence would think the local cops should try to go running in there shooting. It is the same level of intelligence that tried to force vaccines, that claimed Jan 06 was insurrection, that BLM was peaceful protest. Complete fucking nonsense.

[–]iamonlyoneman[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I usually don't call people bootlickers, but for you I'm willing to make an exception.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do usually call ignorant and stupid people ignorant and stupid and I have no intention of making an exception for you.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Engage the shooter when he is in an unknown location somewhere in a room full of children. Yet you actually believe you thought about this right? Do you think they are going to dive through the doorway like a ninja and instantly fire a perfect brain shot while in mid air that passes between all the children and takes him out because you can do that to pass level 6 of the stupid video game you play all day?

Real life is not like video games for one big reason. You don’t get to do it 38 times and die before you nail it on the 39th try. In real life you either get it perfect the first time, when you have not even seen what is waiting on the other side of that door yet, or it's game over. Permenantly.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you believe the shooter was in a dungeon classroom with only 1 door and no windows?

[–]Canbot 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

They had ballistic shields. Those cowards decided the kids should eat those bullets rather than thier shields.

You are the moron.

[–]IMissPorn 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

It's alright, where would the corrupt, the wicked and the cowardly be without without morons?

[–]raven9 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You call ME a moron you ignorant little cunt. Those small shields they had are rated for hangun bullets. High velocity rifle bullets tear through them like they are made of cardboard so from your position as one of the morons I referred to, you think they were cowards because they didn't used handgun shields against rifle bullets. Exactly my point and as such you represent the brainless masses I was talking about.

[–]emptiedriver 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

what general reaction are you seeing? What I've mostly seen is people saying, how can we even pretend that "good guys with guns" can possibly be any use in these types of situations when they are as sickeningly helpless here as they are, with all the gear and back up they could ask for, and up against only one teenager with only one gun in the most dire of situations (that is, masses of screaming children dying as the minutes pass).

Perhaps we might have imagined a little more heroism from the professionals, but it's true that heroism usually just results in greater casualties, so what can ya do. What it makes blatantly and unquestionably clear is that no amount of protective services or trained officers or safety measures will be any help if there are still assault rifles available to testosterone fueled psychos.

[–]raven9 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The general reaction I am seeing is every armchair expert on the internet is accusing all the cops of being cowards because they didn't run blindly into the line of fire.

"Only 1 teenager" with an assault rifle is what nearly every soldier in the US military was when they went to war in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq etc and what backup and gear do they think makes a difference when a shooter is in an unknown location somewhere in a room full of children with an assault rifle trained on the door?

You know when you open that door he is going to pull the trigger on you but you cannot just open fire yourself because there are children in there. So you must open the door and identify the location of the children relative to the shooter before you can do anything and you are going to be taking fire at almost point blank range before you can even blink an eye.

So are you going to run in there regardless and join the casualty list while saying, sorry wifey, I know I have responsibilities to my own family too but if I dont do this every moron on the internet that thinks real life is like a video game, is going to judge me.

[–]emptiedriver 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

First of all, I said, the argument I'm seeing more commonly isn't that the cops should have been heroes but that this proves that the answer is not having more cops around but rather that we just need to get guns out of the hands of the public. Having more cops & more guns does not do any good, because it would take acts of bravery and sacrifice far beyond the call of duty for there even to be a chance at anyone being saved, and even if they tried they would probably fail.

Should they have tried? As you say, they would be running a major risk and probably just "join the casualty list". But, 21 civilians were killed, so one could argue that someone who takes on a job that includes within its job description this kind of risk is a more acceptable target than a child or a schoolteacher, so if more cops were killed but less children, perhaps that would be acceptable.

Of course, no one could ever know what the numbers would be or would have been "if" actions were different. It all comes down to the choice at the moment, and no one can have heroism demanded of them. It is often unsuccessful and can seem tragic even if it were to reduce potential deaths (ie, if 10 civilians died and 5 cops died stopping the gunman, we wouldn't have known it might have been worse..).

People aren't superheroes, so preventive measures are the most important way to avoid these dangerous situations.

[–]SaidOverRed 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is why conservatives like me that reserve judgement until all the facts are in. But we're pussies or whatever for not hopping on the latest fad.