Hamas begins land invasion of Israel, on the same anniversary as the Yom Kippur War.

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[–]8thmonitor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am confused on what you mean in this and other replies on South India vs. North India.

Why do Tamils and other South Indians behave differently and better than North Indians? Because North Indians have lower IQ? Why do North Indians have lower IQ? Again, aren't North Indians and most Indo-Aryans slightly more European than South Indians and most Dravidians.

I know you said most North Indians are dark skin and short, but aren't South Indians even darker and shorter? I thought it is common for North Indians to dislike South Indians for darker skin. I remember Tarun Vijay, a North Indian BJP member, said India is not racist because it has black Tamils and other South Indians....

Also, what is your ideology? Hindu Nationalist?

Do you have any sources you recommend for a better understanding on North India vs. South India?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why do Tamils and other South Indians behave differently and better than North Indians? Because North Indians have lower IQ? Why do North Indians have lower IQ? Again, aren't North Indians and most Indo-Aryans slightly more European than South Indians and most Dravidians. I know you said most North Indians are dark skin and short, but aren't South Indians even darker and shorter?

5% of IE genetics doesn't make you higher IQ. Not all Tamils are dark or short, nor are all Northerners fair and tall (a Tamil family friend of mine has a 6' tall white skinned daughter). The misconception here is that the IE tribes are the only or the main caucasoid genetic contribution in India, when it's a different group originating from Iran that's a common ancestor to both Dravidians and so-called Indo-"Aryans". What's determinant of who is swarthy is the percentage of black you have, rather than the presence of Aryan genetics. Both the south and north have varying contributions of these three groups, Aryans, Iranic, and a Negrito like black tribe.

It doesn't seem to be the case that the genetics of these black tribes populating ancient India seems to have a depressive effect on IQ so much as the disgusting local conditions do, which is why you'll see many olive toned relatively Aryan brahmins living in squalor with 85 IQ while there are black Tamils closer to 100. Nonetheless the vast majority of the tail of IQ in India (110+) does occur among more Aryan groups like Brahmins, Khatris, Kayasthas, etc. The main exception to this rule are Tamil Brahmins, who are genetically far more Tamil than Brahmin and have probably Jew tier IQ. With my own IQ I'm def an outlier given my ethnicity, though my entire mother's side seems to be composed of such outliers, while my father's is more mixed and some of them are more typical of what you'd expect.

As for height most of India is about 5'5 average for men regardless of region, the outliers are mostly from Punjab/Haryana but I think that there's a heavy environmental factor here given some of the heights of the human remains found. If malnutrition was fixed for 2-3 generations you'd have a better understanding of genetic potential.

I thought it is common for North Indians to dislike South Indians for darker skin. I remember Tarun Vijay, a North Indian BJP member, said India is not racist because it has black Tamils and other South Indians....

They're not a race particularly known for self-awareness

Also, what is your ideology? Hindu Nationalist?

Complicated...I wouldn't call myself a Hindu Nationalist but I think some of the ancient ideas buried within Hinduism are useful. I support eugenics, am somewhat interested in eso-NS writers, and I think that a peaceful political solution to any issue we point out is not tenable. An odd hybrid.

Do you have any sources you recommend for a better understanding on North India vs. South India?

A deeper look at the population genetics studies is a good start, I'm not well read on a lot of this commentary. I think reading old British ethnographies would be good as well.

[–]8thmonitor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for all this great information.

Do you have a source on these IQ stats. I was never able to find detailed IQ stats in India:

85 IQ while there are black Tamils closer to 100. Nonetheless the vast majority of the tail of IQ in India (110+) does occur among more Aryan groups like Brahmins, Khatris, Kayasthas, etc. The main exception to this rule are Tamil Brahmins, who are genetically far more Tamil than Brahmin and have probably Jew tier IQ.

Which old British ethnographies are you referring to?

If you don't call yourself a Hindu Nationalist, obviously oppose Israel, and have the other views you mentioned, what current or past leaders or parties do you support in India? I think I remember you told me that Netaji/Bose was bad. Most Indians love Israel and Bose. Do you support clerical fascism? I don't think India ever had a real fascist movement.

Do you think British colonialism for India was an overall good? I know Hindu Nationalists hate British colonialism.

Also, do you think all the Indians in America and rest of the West should and need to go back to India? From my experience, most Indian-Americans think they are as American as the WASPs that have been in America for centuries.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have a source on these IQ stats. I was never able to find detailed IQ stats in India:

There really aren't any quality sources yet, these are just speculation based on personal experiences with said group and studying them from afar as well.

Which old British ethnographies are you referring to?

An exhaustive option is. The People of India, which was commissioned by the government in 1875, 1908, and again post independent in the 90s. Various volumes and editions are listed below. This is very exhaustive however and I can't claim I've read it myself.

http://libgen.rs/search.php?&req=the+people+of+india&phrase=1&view=simple&column=def&sort=def&sortmode=ASC&page=2

what current or past leaders or parties do you support in India?

Uh probably Asit Krishna Mukherjee, an Indian National Socialist who ran a pro-axis newspaper during WW2 and helped Bose network with the Japanese. He also married Savitri Devi when she was in India to prevent her getting taken by the feds there. Of course I support the LTTE, being armed revolutionaries of my own people. The actions of the Jammu Kingdom in 1947 with axis veterans was cool. I can't think of a single modern group or party in india that really combines all aspects of my worldview. If you go back to the medieval periods the Tamil kingdoms had ideas about improving blood and esotericism, and were also warlike. But that was a primitive form.

I think I remember you told me that Netaji/Bose was bad.

I would say I disagree with his Marxist views on race and faith while I admire some of his initiative in at least getting and armed movement started.

Do you support clerical fascism? I don't think India ever had a real fascist movement.

You're correct about the latter part. As for clerical fascism I like how Codreanu envisioned it as an all encompassing spiritual and racial revolution but I wouldn't want like some orthodox bureaucracy to spring up. And obviously I have complex feelings on Christianity.

Do you think British colonialism for India was an overall good?

I think it preserved certain aspects of Hindu society both good and bad away from encroachment by Islam and other movements. It was overall much more competent than the post colonial administration. At the same time I wonder if India would've been better off as the confederation of monarchies it was developing into before colonization.

Also, do you think all the Indians in America and rest of the West should and need to go back to India?

Given the numbers I don't know that it makes much difference to your cause compared to any other race. 1% of the US and less in Europe with a sub replacement fertility rate and outmarriage increasing rapidly. I don't think we'll exist in America in a century even without repatriation.

I personally wouldn't return to India specifically unless a civil war or some massive collapse breaks out. But I'm not sure that I'd stay in the West forever either.

From my experience, most Indian-Americans think they are as American as the WASPs that have been in America for centuries.

That's ridiculous, and I guarantee that anyone who tells you this does not believe it in their heart. Just a cope.

[–]8thmonitor 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is so interesting. Ty. What do you mean by:

The actions of the Jammu Kingdom in 1947 with axis veterans was cool.

I looked this up on Google. I don't see anything with Jammu and Axis veterans.

Which medieval Tamil kingdoms talked about improving blood and esotericism and were warlike? Also, aren't Tamils and other Dravidians a peaceful and antiwar race? I saw a video on the Aryan Invasion Theory and it explained this phenomenon that Dravidians are peaceful and Aryans are violent.

Isn't the problem with Indian and other high-skilled Asian groups that they are taking jobs from natives and making the overall American white race poorer? I agree they are not a demographic threat like Latinos. Don't you oppose H1B and future high-skilled Asian immigration for that reason?

Also, aren't esoteric NatSoc/ fascism views only for Nordics and other Whites? I am not even joking, but I met a esoteric NatSoc on Reddit. This person unironically wants to kill and replace all non-Nordics. Their targets includes all foreigners in Northwestern Europe, but also Japanese, Chileans, and other nonwhites that are living peacefully in their own countries because they are still a threat to Nordics. I am assuming Tamils, Dravidians, and rest of South India are also on his list to wipe out.

What do you think about Christianity? Are you a strict follower of Hinduism? I admire religions, but fundamentally oppose all of them because they are not supported with evidence. Doesn't Hinduism believe in things like reincarnation and polytheism? I don't know about that. I feel like all humans just sadly end after death as that is the most rational explanation. Also, I strongly support abortion for eugenics. I think Hinduism is also against that.