Nietzsche is the right wing Marx

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Technological determinism is a really scary idea when you think about it. If it's true though there's really nothing we can do about it. Even though I can't easily disprove TD I'm weary to spend much time focusing on it. Assuming we could 'reset' and get rid of modern tech there's no point we could go back to that wouldn't still technically put us on the conveyor belt back to where we are today.

For example do you go back to horses and buggies? No? Ok walking around? Do we not wear shoes? What about farming and ranching? Do we go back to hunter gatherer culture? What happens when someone starts using obsidian instead of a sharp stick to hunt? Are we back on the cycle that can't be stopped? Another problem. If one group tries to go back but another group still has modern weapons of war doesn't that make it too easy for the tech group to dominate the group trying to reset? Seem like it only works if everyone in the world does it at the same time?

It's all so confusing and personally not a big concern. I take a middle ground slower approach. I think there's an 'edge' we should live on. We shouldn't allow tech that we haven't totally morally mastered. I think the Amish are living at the tech point that white humans should be at. We can go beyond Amish tech but should do it at a slower pace and seriously think about the real dangers of every tech we develop. Computers are an obvious example of a tech that too far ahead of our moral mastery.

The invention of plastic is a good example. It was really useful but we simply started putting it in everything without closely analyzing its dangers. It did a lot damage to humans: drove up oil consumption, drove up estrogen levels, created a throw away society, increased landfills, polluted oceans, etc. I'd like to mostly eliminate plastics and only use them very carefully in applications that they fit in logically, safely and morally. Could we hit a point where we can use plastic safely? Sure but it might take a hundred years and I'm ok with that level of slow pace tech.

Unfortunately I don't think we will every see that type of morally driven reset and revaluation of how we use tech. Mainly due to war and competition we are going to keeping advancing too quickly until we've created a dystopian hellscape like McCormac's The Road.

[–]YJaewedwqewqClerical Fascist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The issue with technology is that everyone sees it as some kind of modern, secular black magic. Instead of a tool, people have been brainwashed to treat technology as if it is esoteric and superior, from decades of (((hollywood))) movies drilling such preposterous ideas into our heads. In reality, although unintentional fallout from technology is inevitable, it is more or less under the control of those who diligently seek to control it.

If we change this mystical and fearful view of subservience to technology, and once again treat ourselves as masters of it rather than vice versa, many of the issues with technology-assisted degeneracy would be able to be solved or at least mitigated. A strong government could easily control such things, simply look at North Korea for example. A strong state could quite easily sweep across the nation and destroy the tools of degeneracy, especially in Europe, and forbid their sale or production. If you really wanted to, you could restrict or destroy specific things like smartphones, computers, etc. in a variety of ways.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't agree more. You even see this nonsense with the energy debate. People seem to think that technology creates energy, which is of course totally false.