Genuine question on views of DR anti-vaaxxers/covid-skeptics

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I never bought the idea it was a hoax or the vaccine is a bioweapen or whatever

The origin of this virus is unknown. It's a tactic to lump the lab leak theory in with the less believable stuff.

I mean, think about it. What are the odds this super infectious bug was just hiding all this time unbeknownst to us, or that it simply mutated one day into what it is, again, coming from nowhere to infect the entire world.

Seems far more realistic it's something people had a hand in. But we really don't know, and we shouldn't be ruling anything out.

Yes, there have been side-effects but what medicine doesn't have that? Even when they do occur, they are rare

As a rule of thumb it takes 25 years to know the full extent of a med's side effects. Vioxx and all the other cox-2 inhibitors were on the market for years before they realized it was killing people.

We didn't know antidepressants and anti-psychotics cause permanent brain changes. They're still used.

And of course thalidomide and flipper babies.

Tylenol, aspirin and Ibuprofen are no longer recommended for use by pregnant women because it can negatively affect the fetus.

Low dose aspirin therapy ended up killing people and not saving them as we had thought for decades.

Nobody knows what the vaccine might later be discovered to do to us, and you can't unring that bell.

[–]Wrangel 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is a big difference between a medication that is eaten regularly and a vaccine given once. Also the vaccines have been given to billions of people. If there are changes they would have to happen pretty much immediately and would have been picked up by now.

All the vaccine does is produce spike proteins that are in much greater concentrations if you get covid. If those proteins are dangerous, covid 19 is much worse.

Also the big risk is getting infected with an unknown virus. Viral infections can give all sorts of cancers and weird long term side effects. Covid seems to give a lot of long term problems.

I definitely don't want to try a Chinese bioweapon to see what the long term effects are.

[–]FrenologistSaving the World 1 Cranial Exam at a Time 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All the vaccine does is produce spike proteins that are in much greater concentrations if you get covid. If those proteins are dangerous, covid 19 is much worse.

False. The mRNA gene-therapies train your body to produce the spikes in much-greater quantities than what you get through native viral replication. Most people recover from covid after a few days but, with the mRNA injections you keep producing spikes for weeks/months. Moreover, catching covid creates far-fewer spikes because the process isn't overwhelming like the injections. The best comparison I can think of, at this moment, is a drip (contracting covid) vs a wave (injection). Contracting covid is a slower process because the virus enters through the mucus membranes and your body begins fighting it off so it advances slowly. The injections either cause your body to react by producing an overwhelming number of spikes (mRNA) or just dump a huge amount of spikes into you (the non-mRNA shots).