Genuine question on views of DR anti-vaaxxers/covid-skeptics

Popper · 2021-12-31T13:51:06+00:00

if vaccine worked everyone would want it

Ethnocrat · 2021-12-31T14:23:51+00:00

I was one of the most pro-vaccine and pro-lockdown guys on here, but after carefully examining the data I've come to the conclusion that the virus is nowhere near as damaging as I initially believed. It's also far too late to keep imposing lockdowns because the virus is now endemic. We're going to have to live with it. I'm still in favor of mandatory vaccinations for the vulnerable and health care workers, but not for the entire population.

send_nasty_stuff · 2021-12-31T15:17:55+00:00

why you are skeptical of COVID

The new Robert Malone video is a good start. Heavily data driven and level headed. *

https://rumble.com/embed/voaxg5/?pub=qdzr7

Before I get into the nitty gritty with you and attempt to address some of your points I want to give you some background.

There are many overlapping groups that partially come into the alt right or dissident right. One group is libertarians, another, is conspiracy minded conservatives and still another are white nationalist 1.0 types that might have followed David Duke and William Luther Pierce in their prime. One thing that all three of these groups have in common is that many of them have been exposed to three prominent anti new world order speakers: Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, and Alan Watts. All three of these guys, if you listen to their content, have been warning about dialectics that certain groups will carry out to get us to a world government structure and they've been on it for 30 plus years! Bill copper in particular wrote in the 90's that the elites would use school shootings, then an attack on new york, then 'terrorism', then a middle east occupation, then a pandemic, then an alien invasion**. You can read about this in Cooper's book Behold a Pale Horse. The newest publication of this book has had the protocols removed from them. He was killed a few weeks after 9/11. You will also learned from those three, and many others, that elites telegraph what they are doing (eyes to see) and they also prime the public for what they are going to do. It's not accident we had like 5 years of 'pandemic movies' and like 20 years of zombie (dehumanize your neighbor) movies. Elites are operating with high levels of psychological understanding and manipulation of the populace. They also have the money and infrastructure to do it on a mass scale. If you don't believe me check out the reporting by Millie Weaver about the military psyop program used on the Arabs and then turned on the american public.

So the fact that many of these crazy 'conspiracy theorists' have been correct on so many things is why regular dissidents were primed to do the research and look very very closely at this 'pandemic'. I mean how can you follow and read people like this, or this, or this, or this, or this and not be a little concerned? Now yes obviously 'dissidents' were primed to disbelieve, however, there's enough data and evidence floating around that covid and the vaccine are proven frauds without resorting to explaining the history of Jews, central banking families, NWO, etc. So nobody is asking you or other people to get into the conspiracy or dissident community in order to take some leap of faith to believe the vaccines are bad for you. That's why I shared the Malone video above first. I can guarantee you that him and his team have no idea about Bill Copper and his predictions of a great reset. The are just doctors looking at the data and they are not willing to compromise their ethics for their careers.

I think one really sad thing we are learning through this is how many people are willing to stay silent because they think their paychecks and reputations could be compromised. It's amazing how people are controlled through fear, social pressure and social class stability.

*It got him kicked off of Twitter so it's worth a watch. He was also just on Rogan. https://i.redd.it/sp5ib9o12t881.png

**Tell me this isn't priming: https://nypost.com/2021/12/27/nasa-hired-24-theologians-to-study-reaction-to-aliens-book/

disidentHR · 2021-12-31T15:14:08+00:00

I'm not antivaxer/covid-skeptic but I'm gonna lay out critiques regardless.

Lockdowns

Initial lockdown implementations were pure disaster. Many people lost their jobs, many of small businesses were destroyed and it still didn't prevent the spread of the virus.

I think issue is much deeper than anyone can even conceive it, capitalism has poisoned the very core of our beings (NOBODY EVEN CONSIDERED SAYING NO TO ECONOMICAL PARASITES SUCH AS LANDLORDS!!), there was no one addressing ways of how to actually freeze the economy for a while instead of suspend people from earning income while they're still able to accumulate debt.

Lockdowns as a concept might work, like in case of China and Australia (zero-covid scenario), but if they're gonna be implemented in this shitty manner again I'm 100% anti-lockdown.

Masks

Cloth masks also don't make much sense, as soon as the shortage of N95s and N99s was resolved, they should've recommended that instead.

Vaccines

Vaccines clearly work and I'm in support of mandatory vaccinations, but:

Pfizer needs to be investigated for all the dirty tricks they pulled, like creating minimally viable product, lobbying it all throughout the world and spreading FUD about other vaccines, such as AstraZeneca blood clot bullshit
Governments need to be responsible for not securing traditional vaccines which use inactivated virus technology, such as Sputnik and Sinopharm/SinoVac, which were safer, more trusted AND more effective
It's an absolute shame our governments' science institutes didn't even make an effort to create vaccines themselves, even if it meant collaborating together, but it was all outsourced to shoddy private companies

jet199 · 2021-12-31T15:36:39+00:00

Please can you explain how lockdowns cut deaths and show the evidence they have.

Frenologist · 2021-12-31T19:06:15+00:00

I'm encouraging anyone who believes in, "The Science," to take as many boosters are they possibly can. Don't delay--get boosted today!

AmericanMuskrat · 2021-12-31T18:50:40+00:00

I never bought the idea it was a hoax or the vaccine is a bioweapen or whatever

The origin of this virus is unknown. It's a tactic to lump the lab leak theory in with the less believable stuff.

I mean, think about it. What are the odds this super infectious bug was just hiding all this time unbeknownst to us, or that it simply mutated one day into what it is, again, coming from nowhere to infect the entire world.

Seems far more realistic it's something people had a hand in. But we really don't know, and we shouldn't be ruling anything out.

Yes, there have been side-effects but what medicine doesn't have that? Even when they do occur, they are rare

As a rule of thumb it takes 25 years to know the full extent of a med's side effects. Vioxx and all the other cox-2 inhibitors were on the market for years before they realized it was killing people.

We didn't know antidepressants and anti-psychotics cause permanent brain changes. They're still used.

And of course thalidomide and flipper babies.

Tylenol, aspirin and Ibuprofen are no longer recommended for use by pregnant women because it can negatively affect the fetus.

Low dose aspirin therapy ended up killing people and not saving them as we had thought for decades.

Nobody knows what the vaccine might later be discovered to do to us, and you can't unring that bell.

SecureTheInevitable · 2021-12-31T19:31:23+00:00

On the matter of its severity I do consider it a serious issue, I am aware that it mainly affects the older or fatter populations but the West is an aging and increasingly obese society and thus such people being hospitalised would be quite likely to collapse our healthcare systems.

Why aren't they putting people on a exercise regiment and banning food that makes people obese than? The lockdown procedures is making people at a bigger risk for the corona virus because they are living unhealthy and the virus already is endemic.

Considering the above, I don't see why anyone other than the most infantile libertarian would opposing taking state-action to protect society.

Western governments were calling people that were pro lockdown in late 2019 and early 2020 racist. You realize the lockdown only works if the institutions are trusted by the people and whether the institutions are willing to take measures to do a real holistic lockdown. Lockdown in the United States allowed BLM protests, illegal border crossings and elite party gatherings. If institutions don't take the virus seriously why should the people trust them? Also lets not forget how they flip flop on everything from social distancing, mask wearing, vaccines and now dancing is illegal in some places!

Considering the only reason people would be skeptical at this point would be because they believe it has nefarious purposes, I don't really see how anyone would think this.

The vaccine has more deaths than the polio vaccine and that was taken off the market for a bad batch. Also these companies were waived liability for the side effects of vaccines. Why should anyone be forced to take a vaccine that could kill them and receive no recompense to the families that have lost loved ones from the vaccine? Also the media and medical institutions lied about the vaccine and marketed it as a traditional immunization and flip flop between the vacccine immunization that prevents the spread of covid and a medicine that reduces symptoms but still can be spread to others. Also, the vaccine is being used to push a global digital identity with the vaccine passport in European countries and slowly in the USA. The opposition to the vaccine is based on rights to autonomy and privacy from globalist elites. Also if the virus is deadly, not many people will refuse the vaccine if it actually works.

cisheteroscum · 2022-01-01T19:00:08+00:00

Welcome back Talmudstein (if its really you)

Have to give you a warning for thread abandonment unfortunately. I think a lot of people for looking forward to this one

yabbit · 2021-12-31T16:42:59+00:00

I still don't get why they wouldn't take the covid vaccine but are fine with flu/chicken pox/rabies shots. Whats so different about this one exactly. Also I fucked all of your moms.

lokke767 · 2022-01-01T16:37:54+00:00

There is zero evidence any of the mitigating measures even work at all, and the mainstream is starting to realize that, which is why we are seeing a gradual but obvious narrative shift. Brazil as far as I am aware also did draconian lockdowns and even vax passes, it is also a non-example because it has very similar death rates to similar countries that adopted even harsher measures. The country with the highest death rate by far has been Peru, which had an extremely harsh approach, and it's likely due to genetic reasons, as its genetic makeup is primarily indio. The Vax is a whole different matter, but what is crucial is to understand that there is no reason at all to force healthy, young people to take an experimental gene therapy that won't even prevent transmission in the first place.

I view this primarily as another step in the west's descent into a highly managed totalitarian society composed of weak, pathetic individuals who are too afraid to venture outside because of a virus that will kill a negligible amount of healthy, young people. To prioritize saving the lives of fat, sick and old people at the expense of society's functioning and young, healthy people's livelihoods is not only bizarre, it is criminal and a symptom of a terminal sociocultural illness. The pandemic totalitarianism is another step in the murder of the european spirit and its replacement by semitic-asiatic insectoid collectivism.

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