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[–]NolobenGlory to Great Russian Empire! Today Ukraine, tomorrow Canada![S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

This reminds me of why Eugene Montsalvat was 100% in his autopsy on the alt right back in 2016. Originally, "alt right" was supposed to mean a third positionist movement that would introduce people in the English speaking world to people like Alain de Benoist, but it ended up just meaning old-fashioned colonialist white nationalism. The only interesting person in the alt right was Heimbach so he got treated like shit and driven out.

I notice you didn't address the miscegenation issue. Are you one of those people who think that when men race mix it's based because it's "conquest"? You have an Asian wife by any chance?

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Originally, "alt right" was supposed to mean a third positionist movement that would introduce people in the English speaking world to people like Alain de Benoist, but it ended up just meaning old-fashioned colonialist white nationalism.

You got it the other way around. The alt-right's main focal point used to be race realism/human biodiversity, the JQ, and being unapologetically pro-white (which also means being at least open to, if not outright supportive of, the idea of bringing back some form of white colonialism and global white hegemony).

In recent years, however, the alt-right has seen an ever-increasing (probably mostly astroturfed) influx of retards, schizos and shills injecting it with ridiculous LARP ideologies that suvbert the alt-right's original white nationalist character and intentions, and in many cases would be even explicitly harmful to white racial interests (i.e third worldism/Duginism, Islamism/"white sharia", primitivism/luddism, flat earth theory, boomer cuckservative religious fundamentalism, incel/anti-woman views, etc.).

Furthermore, it's kinda ironic how the very same people who most strongly hold the views you hate the most about the alt-right, such as Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer, are actually the ones who in part originally founded the alt-right to begin with.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is nonsense. David Duke has been doing non-supremacist pro-white stuff for decades with the framing of human rights activism, this was always very popular. "A homeland for every race, Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans" etc was always way more common than Richard Spencer's imperial ambitions. This is a massive retcon by you.

Alt right was a big tent descriptor for everyone pro-white, and even broader than that until Charlottesville lol. Both isolationists/nativists and white supremacists were included. You both are talking out of your arses pretending it specifically referred to one particular strain. Especially when it used to be such a broad tent that before Charlottesville it included non-racialist classical liberals who just didn't like muh crazy sjws and dumb shit like that.

[–]YORAMRWWhite nationalist, eugenicist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is nonsense. David Duke has been doing non-supremacist pro-white stuff for decades with the framing of human rights activism, this was always very popular. "A homeland for every race, Africa for Africans, Europe for Europeans" etc was always way more common than Richard Spencer's imperial ambitions. This is a massive retcon by you.

You're either misinterpreting or deliberately misrepresenting me. My point wasn't that the alt-right used to be fully comprised of people with "supremacist" attitudes, I know it wasn't, but to illustrate how its explicitly white nationalist character got subverted by people who think like OP. It's undeniable that "supremacist" attitudes were much more common in the alt-right before it started getting subverted a couple of years ago.

I have nothing against pro-whites/white nationalists who are non-"supremacist", such as David Duke, but that's totally different from actively pushing for white guilt and ethnomasochism and defacing our history (like OP is doing). By the way, "supremacist" in the way people like you use it is an anti-white slur anyways, which is used to pathologize healthy ingroup preference in whites and whites only. It's perfectly natural to want your race to have power, and among all other races people with strong ingroup preference hold "supremacist" attitudes (often far more extreme than those found among white nationalists), but somehow only whites are supposed to be pacifist isolationists and just let black and brown people dominate the world.

Alt right was a big tent descriptor for everyone pro-white, and even broader than that until Charlottesville lol. Both isolationists/nativists and white supremacists were included. You both are talking out of your arses pretending it specifically referred to one particular strain. Especially when it used to be such a broad tent that before Charlottesville it included non-racialist classical liberals who just didn't like muh crazy sjws and dumb shit like that.

The non-racialist and non-JQ part of the alt-right was never truly part of the alt-right to begin with (just like the previously mentioned retards and shills who've flooded it in recent years), that's the alt-lite and it emerged years after the alt-right itself emerged. A lot of "anti-SJWs" and other alt-liters turned alt-right though, as they watched the alt-lite get BTFO'd by the alt-right in debates (such as the famous Richard Spencer vs. Sargon debate). The alt-right itself was undeniably founded as an explicitly white nationalist movement, considering Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer and ironically enough also David Duke, key figures in the formation of the alt-right, were all explicitly pro-white.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By the way, "supremacist" in the way people like you use it is an anti-white slur anyways

If you think white people should rule over others, and actively seek to conquer them to rule over them that is what white supremacy means. There's nothing anti-white about that, if that's what you want then you're a white supremacist.

It's perfectly natural to want your race to have power, and among all other races people with strong ingroup preference hold "supremacist" attitudes (often far more extreme than those found among white nationalists), but somehow only whites are supposed to be pacifist isolationists and just let black and brown people dominate the world.

This is a ridiculous notion, there's no contradiction between having power and not being able to take over the world on a racial basis because you believe you deserve to rule them. Racial and ethnic nationalists believe in self determination as a rule. This has been the case for the 20th century form of revolutionary nationalisms and national liberation movements. The belief that white people have to go out and attempt to rule over foreigners is pretty niche and confined only to capitalism/liberalism/colonialism historically, even then it wasn't really racial or ethnic that was just happenstance; their real motivations were simply economic to feed the bankers funding the various European empires.

The non-racialist and non-JQ part of the alt-right was never truly part of the alt-right to begin with, that's the alt-lite and it emerged years after the alt-right itself emerged. A lot of "anti-SJWs" and other alt-liters turned alt-right though, as they watched the alt-lite get BTFO'd by the alt-right in debates (such as the famous Richard Spencer vs. Sargon debate). The alt-right itself was undeniably founded as an explicitly white nationalist movement, considering Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer and ironically enough also David Duke, key figures in the formation of the alt-right, were all explicitly pro-white.

From 2015-Charlottesville (If you look at the trends, the term only really became a popular thing in mid 2016) these people considered themselves alt right and the vast majority of people viewed them as fellow travelers, alt right roughly meant pro-Trump, Brexit, anti-SJW etc. Before then the alt right wasn't really even much to speak of, it was just a term Richard Spencer used for his website that hosted white nationalist content. The 'movement' only really started to refer to itself as alt right around the time of Trump and stuff. Before then most WNs would just call themselves that and the anti-sjw guys would call themselves rational skeptics and that kind of thing.

I agree they shouldn't have been considered one movement and it's absurd, but to say they weren't is just wrong.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nationalism is not supremacism.