What is your religion?

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[–]Ponderer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's an interesting link, thanks. H.P. Lovecraft is one of my favorite authors, and I didn't know there was a name for his worldview.

I think it would be interesting to refine Cosmicism a bit and turn it into a more fleshed-out worldview or religion. However, it would probably need to posit some positive (or at least neutral) cosmic forces to counterbalance the malevolent worldly forces we see today.

Something like "yeah, you think the powers that be are bad, but don't worry, eventually Cthulhu will show up and eat them." Except instead of Cthulhu it's time, or decay, or the laws of reality, or the Kali Yuga, or something like that.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I would never promote my belief system to society at large. I would not wish to see it adopted by ordinary people. If they knew what kind of Universe they were actually born into, the vast majority would become clinically depressed, and many would give up hope. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist, but the fact is, human beings did not evolve to see reality as it truly is. We are meant to function within a relatively narrow window of perception, and whenever we look outside the confines of that perceptual window, we are overcome with a sense of existential dread.

These feelings are present in me too, but they don't affect me to the same extent as a normal person. I have been walking my spiritual path for a long time, so I've learned alot of coping skills along the way. I can deal with these emotions fairly well most of the time. But believe me, it is not a happy or healthy view of the world, and it does impair me in some ways. I have trouble living freely in the moment, and I spent alot of time stuck in my own head. I have lots of angst about the future of humanity, especially with everything thats happening now.

I do believe that the Globalists will eventually be defeated, but that won't come at the hands of supernatural forces. They will be destroyed because their ideology is fundamentally false, self-contradictory, and unsustainable. When an organisation bases their strategy on a false map of reality, they will inevitably run into serious problems at a certain point.

[–]Ponderer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm curious about your ideas, whether they're negative or not.

I do believe that the Globalists will eventually be defeated

This is already more optimistic than my current views. I think there is a slim chance they will eventually collapse, but its by no means guaranteed. So anything you tell me would probably give me a more positive outlook if anything.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, I seem to have missed your comment. I will respond to your question now.

I'm curious about your ideas, whether they're negative or not.

Many aspects of reality (as we perceive it) can be described in dualistic terms: Good and evil, light and dark, order and chaos, pleasure and pain, life and death, etc. It is like the yin and yang described by Taoism. At this point in the history of the Universe, I believe that the forces of chaos and death vastly outweigh the forces of order and life. This is a deeply unpleasant conclusion to reach, but it seems to be true. There are many lines of evidence you can use to confirm this.

Consider the Fermi paradox. Why is it that we can look in any direction in our vast and ancient Universe, and yet we can see no other signs of alien civilisation? There are enough stars and planets in existence that should have formed the nurserys of many intelligent species, and enough time has passed to enable them to colonise entire Galaxys. And yet we see no sign of any Type III civilisations on the Kardashev scale. This is evidence that the Universe is a far more hostile place than we realise. Despite hundreds of billions of Galaxys each containing hundreds of billions of stars, we are apparently the only civilisation in existence. This revelation is chilling. It means that the odds of an intelligent species evolving is astronomically small. Humanity just happened to beat the odds.

But even though we appear to be alone in the Universe, there is an opportunity before us. A hope, a dream, an obligation. We can spread through space, colonise our own Galaxy and become a Type III civilisation. We can change the Cosmic balance, subtly altering the yin and the yang. We can ensure that the forces of order overturn the forces of chaos, that light overcomes the darkness, that life overcomes death. Humanity can walk on the path of divinity and fill the Universe with something worthwhile. And who knows, at some point in the distant future, they may even be able to alter reality itself and do things that we cannot even fathom.

This is already more optimistic than my current views. I think there is a slim chance they will eventually collapse, but its by no means guaranteed. So anything you tell me would probably give me a more positive outlook if anything.

Its not that complicated. The Globalists require the military and economic might of the United States to enforce their world order. But at the same time, they are weakening and hollowing out the U.S. with all different manners of social engineering. Thus, it is only a matter of time before the U.S. either collapses, or loses so much power that it is incapable of fulfilling its role as world police. By that point, the Globalists will become very vulnerable. They will no longer have the hard power of the United States to enforce their world order. They can be defeated with relative ease by a strong nation like Russia or China. It is simple geopolitics.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Doesn't that miss the point behind Cosmicism? It sounds like you have a more positive outlook on life, and like Pantheism is more for you.

[–]Ponderer[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't necessarily say so. Reading some of Lovecraft's works, many of the characters who acknowledge the existence of powerful eldritch beings aren't exactly demoralized. Some seem quite enthusiastic about it.