I think the White Nationalist cause needs to be pragmatic if we want to succeed.

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

How many times have white people liberated themselves from this system? Twice. We have two blueprints to follow, the Italian Revolution of 1922 and the German Revolution of 1933. Every other attempted model has failed and you are proposing absolutely nothing new so there's no reason to believe this proposal will not fail also.

The best we can do is study the two revolutions that did succeed and attempt to apply as much of it as possible to us.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Look at the user name. It's our old friend salos dishing out the same bankrupt advice he must have posted 100 times already on reddit and here. No one asked and no one cares but he's baaackkkk.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's cuz we banned Republican58, mysteriously as soon as we did that 'ChristianPhalangist' reappeared (some fake account from reddit that used to post about how we should hate poor white people) and that account got banned and then Salos mysteriously comes back. Totally not the same weirdo larping as multiple characters lmao.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As someone said the other day we really do attract a special kind if weirdo when it comes to trolls.

[–]Salos60000Pragmatic European Nationalism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No I spoke to SNS, I'm neither of those users.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a little sus.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why limit yourself to those revolutions that share race and ideology? Strategy is agnostic to both. The Taliban and the Maoists used the same exact strategy of insurgency and guerilla warfare to come to power, despite being on opposite ends ideologically.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Those are the only 2 revolutions that have occurred that followed the only path that is available to us. Not artificially limiting anything, this is just the only model for revolution that is possible in Europe, and America, at least for the foreseeable future although America is showing a lot of signs of collapse so the opportunity could open up in coming years. We still shouldn't primarily plan for that though, we should just be working only with what we've got and if in the future a military arm of an organisation is suitable then it could be pursued. If you take a look at the situation in Europe and America where are the military elites that are favourable to nationalists? Where are the billionaires that would fund and organise a military insurgency? If theoretically an insurgency was possible it would have no elite support and thus would require EVEN MORE grassroots organisation than the standard mass movement so what would be the point? Hitler figured out violent revolution was impossible after the Beer Hall Putsch and this was a century ago, this method of revolution was only possible in backwards places not a highly technological and highly organised modern state.

Every place you're talking about was either fighting an external enemy and had more or less total popular support (IRA, Hezbollah, Taliban etc) or was fighting guerilla style against backwards, pre-modern states (China, Cuba etc). In the case of certain communist revolutions they had international support and funding, something we also don't have. Starting to attack military and economic targets in the US or Europe would NOT garner popular support, in fact you would face resistance especially because you'd be blasted in media 24/7 and Boomerwaffen and Antifa would quickly be mobilised to try to extinguish you.

Anything except the typical fascist model simply cannot work. 'Nazi Maoism' was tried in Italy post-war and it led nowhere because this shit doesn't work in a modern society. You can research tactics and strategy from every kind of revolution all you want, when you analyse our situation you'll come to the same conclusion I did, there is one blueprint and it's the one the Legionaries, NSDAP, PNF, and Falange followed: We have to create a new institution, an institution of the entire population.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think I agree for Europe completely. And you're right that an insurgency would have zero way of getting anywhere without mass popular support, safe haven, and foreign allies, which you don't have at all. On the other hand creating mass disasters in the US would be a massive boon for forces in Europe to escape the American yoke, so maybe those efforts aren't fruitless. The pipeline hack recently was an interesting demonstration of that.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, maybe cyber attack stuff could be useful but I don't know any groups of our guys with those skills or any hacking groups or anything that care about our stuff. They're usually just into serving themselves or weird lolbert stuff.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant more infrastructure attacks than just cyber. If you take down just 9 transformer stations most of the US would have an 18 month blackout, some journos were squealing about that a year ago or so. Strategically placed IEDs can choke off certain cities for weeks easily. Wouldn't really lead to political takeover by anyone in America other than the military, but it would make the tentacles of the American empire withdraw for a long time probably.

Not that I'm advocating for such acts of course, but the vulnerability of the US to these attacks and the sheer dependency of globohomo on American institutions makes it an interesting approach.

[–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Idk if a radical political party, opposed by the majority of the population, being backed and appointed into power by the establishment, is a revolution.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is about as attached to reality as the idea that you're the famous actress you were pretending to be you mentally ill freak.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    There's nothing to refute, you literally just made up some random shit and didn't even attempt to substantiate it.

    [–]ayotollahsinIran 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ok I'll refute.

    Natsocs and fascists were both obviously radical, even for their time.

    Yes both were opposed by the majority of the populace.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Italian_general_election

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_1932_German_federal_election

    Nazi's only came to power solely due to the great depression and the fear the German establishment had to rising communism. Many leading german industrialists and businessmen backed the Nazi's and pressured the right wing DNVP to enter into coalition.

    https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/hitler-millionaire-backers-how-german-elite-facilitated-rise-nazis-third-reich/

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-big-business-bailed-out-nazis

    Mussolini only came to power because the King caved after the ruling PM resigned in protest.

    You calling these "revolutions" is pure romanticism.

    [–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Those fascist revolutions didn't have massive diversity, a prevailing anti-racist mainstream culture, and a 24 hour anti-white television to contend with, so they may not be accurate comparisons to the present-day. They might not have succeeded under these conditions.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yes our conditions are worse but it's still the only viable method, if anything is possible it's only this short of just fantasising about some kind of black swan event that may or may not ever happen.