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[–]peaceful 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

This awareness already exists.

The altright does not realize most of the problem is whites. The altright has often thought they were about to win no matter how bad things got. I advocate being realistic.

blackpill posts discourage action, dampen enthusiasm, and increase fear.

There's a reason successful political campaigns are based on fear, it motivates people to vote. It doesn't dampen their enthusiasm.

How can you address white stupidity about race without stating it? The start of change is the articulation of problems.

If you assert that white people are just idiots and cannot be saved, then where can you possibly go from there? What solution can be proposed?

I expect the altright to work hard at waking whites, not give up and say "Nothing can be done about white stupidity."

trying to drill hopelessness into people

Many things in life are impossible or near-impossible. White genocide is somewhat hopeless but not impossible if many people work hard to wake whites. But that brings up another blackpill: the altright won't do the necessary hard work of waking whites. A few leaders can't do the heavy lifting.

Hyperfocusing on the negatives is not realistic.

I don't advocate for hyperfocusing on the negatives. I never said work 24/7 to convince people that winning is impossible.

Every country that has ever put up a fight has used rousing slogans like "We don't stand alone", "God is with us", "We can do it!"

There has never been a war where the army thought they themselves are the enemy, as whites now think of themselves. What if in the war on ISIS the US army attacked itself, claiming that was the highest moral good, and then attacked you if you tried to convince them of their fault? That would be a problem of stupidity and treachery. Yet that is what whites are doing to themselves. Such a problem would have to be articulated in order to be solved.

I experience many white people giving resistance to white nationalism every day. They will insult, threaten, deplatform, get you fired from your job, etc. in order for the white race to die. There is case to be made that whites deserve most of the blame for this anti-whiteism.

[–]Ponderer[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There's a reason successful political campaigns are based on fear, it motivates people to vote.

There is a difference between "If our enemy wins, we're in trouble! Fortunately we're not done for yet. Here's how we can win instead." and "We're going to lose. We're fucked. It's over."

If you defend the latter, I don't know how to even respond to you.

How much more afraid do you expect people to get? Once they are terminally afraid, cowering under their beds and cringing at every sound, do you expect them to become effective activists?

A little fear can motivate people, but only fear of inaction and only combined with the hope and potential of a workable solution. Doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on fear and providing no alternative is braindead.

[Stopping] White genocide is somewhat hopeless but not impossible if many people work hard to wake whites.

Then you should be saying "Our cause is not impossible if we work hard!" Not "our situation is hopeless" even if it's just "somewhat" hopeless.

But that brings up another blackpill: the altright won't do the necessary hard work of waking whites.

Why do you get off on blackpilling? What is the point of making final, decisive statements like this against the same movement you claim to support?

Such a problem would have to be articulated in order to be solved.

There is a huge difference between articulating a rational position and blackpilling.

Blackpilling is indefensible by definition. It's defeatism. Even if it sometimes deals with accurate information, it frames that information in such a way as to increase hopelessness.

Imagine you're stuck in a burning building with another man. You suggest using a fire extinguisher to put it out, but he says "oh, there's too much fire already, it would never work." You suggest calling the fire brigade, but he says "they'd take too long to get here." You suggest running out through the front door, but he says "there's flames in the way, we'd just burn to death." You suggest jumping out a window, but he says "it's too high, we'd break our bones and die."

Is this man "being realistic"? Of course not. At best he's delusionally depressed, at worst he's a snake who wants you to burn to death.

I'm not even against the rational position you take. There are many white people who hate themselves. But there's only two ways to respond to that: either we can convince them to stop hating themselves, or we ignore them and focus on helping others.

If you want to raise awareness about that, all it takes is a single post. State your position clearly and logically and ask what the next steps are. There is zero need to post over and over for months and years about the latest atrocity caused by woke whites without ever proposing solutions.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What are you thoughts on /u/peaceful ? I've gone through his post history and it's extraordinarily negative. I've given him a chance to respond to some questions but I'd also like your input.

[–]Ponderer[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for asking. If you've been through this comment chain you've pretty much seen everything; I don't know him that well.

I don't want to crack down on someone who might just be feeling pessimistic, but maybe a guideline like "don't share bad news without proposing a reasonable, sane, and detailed solution" could be good.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to crack down on someone who might just be feeling

Same here. I appreciate your input. I will see how he responds and I will keep an eye on him.