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[–]Nombre27 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Info on fentanyl

Page 2 of autopsy report

No life-threatening injuries identified

Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL

Morphine - Free 86 ng/mL

Page 17

In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL.

Apparently fentanyl gets metabolized into the inactive norfentanyl. So I think this indicates an upper level dose which is the sum of these two, 16.6 ng/mL.

According to this, the typical therapeutic concentration is 0.63 to 2 ng/mL.

A 2017 case report published in Academic Emergency Medicine detailed an outbreak of fentanyl overdoses in Northern California.

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All 18 patients tested positive for the drug. The mean serum fentanyl concentration of 52.9 ng/mL was considerably higher than therapeutic concentrations ranging from 0.63 to 2 ng/mL.

Postmortem Toxicology Findings of Acetyl Fentanyl, Fentanyl, and Morphine in Heroin Fatalities in Tampa, Florida

In the heroin cases with fentanyl present (n=7), the average free morphine concentration was 0.040 mg/L, the average total morphine concentration was 0.080 mg/L, and the average fentanyl concentration was 0.012 mg/L.

0.040 mg/L free morphine is the same as 40 ng/mL.

0.012 mg/L of fentanyl is the same as 12 ng/mL.

One thing that happens in drug addiction is that your receptors increase in number (upregulate) and then decrease in number (downregulate) when people stop for a while. With prolonged drug use, people need higher doses to saturate their receptors in order to get an effect.

Just some information about how overdosing and receptor sensitivity works, if you're unfamiliar.

Desensitization

Desensitization

Desensitization refers to a reduced response to an agonist drug due to over activation of a receptor (high doses, prolonged exposure to agonist). There is a number of mechanisms of desensitization including: loss of receptor function through a decrease in receptor-coupled signaling components (e.g., G-proteins). Receptor desensitization may occur in the absence of significant changes in the number of receptors.

Downregulation

Downregulation specifically refers to a reduction in the total number of receptors available to be stimulated due to prolonged receptor activation (e.g. by chronic treatment with a pharmacological agonist drug or prolonged inhibition of metabolism of a neurotransmitter). This reduction in receptors in turn will decrease the cell’s sensitivity to an agonist or drug. Downregulation occurs through endocytosis. Internalized receptors may either be degraded in the lysosomes or recycled back to the membrane surface later.

What happens when people return to doing drugs after time off, is that they've become re-sensitized, i.e. they can get a similar effect from a lower dose that previously required a higher dose because their receptors returned to normal. Then when they ingest a dose that they previously required to get an effect (a higher than normal dose), but because they're more sensitive, they end up overdosing.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

All 18 patients tested positive for the drug. The mean serum fentanyl concentration of 52.9 ng/mL was considerably higher than therapeutic concentrations ranging from 0.63 to 2 ng/mL.

I'm looking for the paper but I found one the other day that was a study of Fentanyl OD's where the mean serum concentration of the drug was around 9/ng/ml so below what Floyd had in his system. How on Earth that level of concentration -- not to mention the half a dozen or so other drugs he was on -- didn't introduce reasonable doubt to the jury is baffling. It's just insanity.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. I would think having that autopsy report, toxicology, etc., would all be information that is necessary to have before even proceeding to a trial. Having what is known to be a toxic amount of a drug in your system indicates reasonable doubt from the outset, so I'm not sure why the trial was even allowed to occur. There's quite literally been a national campaign about opioids and the dangers of fentanyl for quite a few years now. This is insanity.

Combined with his excessive hypertension (216/160, almost double a healthy measurement of 120/80), 90% right coronary artery blockage, freaking out in the backseat prior to be laid prone (thus inducing fight or flight and an adrenaline response -> more hypertension), is completely baffling. There's also how sensitive he was to the drug at that point in time (not possible to know, but more reasonable doubt). People with a tolerance that return to higher doses after a period of resensitization have a higher probability of overdosing.

He also had a concentration of free morphine that is associated with overdosing (in conjunction with the fentanyl concentration he had).

I really think it was a perfect storm of confounders converging that killed him.

Also, Chauvin being guilty of manslaughter, while also being guilty of second degree murder doesn't make sense imo. I know different jurisdictions have different definitions, but at face value this seems totally inconsistent.

Manslaughter is a crime in the United States. Definitions can vary among jurisdictions, but manslaughter is invariably the act of causing the death of another person in a manner less culpable than murder.)

 

Second-degree murder - Any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned.#Degrees)