Average IQ of Native Americans without admixture?

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[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

pretty hard to make a call on that one, due to extensive cultural differences invalidating the IQ testing protocol.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Actually there's good evidence that on IQ tests with a higher cultural load -- yes, amazingly, people who test these things have thought about cultural differences being an explanation for varied results and attempted to quantify the cultural component in different tests -- the gap between different groups narrows not widens leading one to think that this is not an explanation for what we see with IQ testing. (See Rushton and other for the evidence on that.)

Also if this were some kind of explanation then you'd have to come up with -- and YOU CAN'T -- an explanation for why the IQ test designed by Europeans time and time again finds that NE Asians have higher avg IQ's than Whites.

The tests are rigorous, replicable and sound. They're nearly the only part of psychology that is -- that's not my opinion it's Steven Pinker's. Yet this, of all things, is repeated by IQ denialists despite having been disproven a million times only to come back like some monster in a horror film you think is dead.

Exactly what cultural bias do you think, for instance, is part of the Raven's Progressive Matrices section which is common in IQ tests?

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

so, you've started out with sarcasm, and then a bit of patronising.

I you want to have a straight up debate about this most interesting of subjects, then I'm fully up for it, but you'll have to agree to drop the condescending crap and talk to me as an equal. I don't have time to play the 'throw insults' game, its all used up on another user at the moment.

We can talk spearmann's rank correlation coefficient and g all day long

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

drop the condescending crap and talk to me as an equal

Don't say stupid shit then about cultural differences 'invalidating' IQ tests. That's a pathetic, denialist lie.

We can talk spearmann's rank correlation coefficient and g all day long

I'd rather eat glass. Though I'm sure you'll find many who want to discuss this at length here.

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ok, glad I checked before bothering to waste my time. I obviously triggered you by suggesting that cultural differences can matter - something those geniuses who create the IQ tests have studied at length in order to produce culturally neutral tests.

I get that you've assumed I'm a liberal "race is a social construct; moron, but you are wrong. And ignorant, and forever will be, catch you never.