The Military Purge is Ramping up

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[–]TheJamesRocket 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Purges tend to have a very detrimental effect on the cohesion of a military force. Stalin learned this the hard way in the Winter war and the Great Patriotic war.

 

These morons are setting themselves up for failure. First they allow transvestites back into the U.S. military (which Trump had banned), and now they are purging white conservatives? They have no idea what kindof an effect this will have. The U.S. military has already declined on many levels, and these actions are just going to accelerate that process. If they get carried away, there will be a drastic loss in fighting power.

Biden and his Neocon friends are going to be in for a major shock when they start a war in the Middle East. It will be a total shitshow as units are filled with inept leaders and soldiers who struggle to perform basic tasks, and units disintegrate after prolonged bouts of hard fighting. The U.S. military is a paper tiger, and they won't know it until it is too late. As the saying goes: ''You go to war with the army you have.''

 

The Biden admin is going to be stuck in a quagmire with a dysfunctional military that can't fight peer enemies. Thats a recipe for disaster, especially with Russia in the background. If they are lucky, it will be like Vietnam all over again. If they are unlucky, it will turn into something MUCH worse.

This is why you NEVER let politics interfere with military administration (especially not with training or staffing). You might be able to get away with that Woke bullshit in a boardroom; but in a battlefield, it will get you killed. War is the one domain where you can't fake success.

[–]Lugger 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

Biden and his Neocon friends are going to be in for a major shock when they start a war in the Middle East.

The only ones who are going to be in a shock are Iranians or whatever ME country the U.S. decides to attack as their pathetic 'military' is completely obliterated by the U.S. expeditional forces.

You're giving too much credit to combat capabilities of the Middle Easterners as they have proven themselves to be complete and total failures when it comes conventional warfare; take a look at any armed conflict involving these guys in the past 60 years.

It doesn't matter if they fought the U.S., Israel or themselves — it's almost amusing how incompetent and poorly-equipped the Middle Easterners were and how quickly they were being crushed when fighting a serious foe, and it's not like they've changed in any way since.

Iranian military, for example, has much of its combat equipment straight out of the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know about them.

The U.S. military has already declined on many levels

As for the transgenders and other crap infiltrating the U.S. military... Somehow I seriously doubt the U.S. gubmint will go full retard mode on this one and allow its biggest stick to be crippled. And even if they prove to be absolute morons and do, it's going to take a looooong time until this stuff has any serious effect on the quality of troops.

especially with Russia

Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine for God's sake in its pathetic proxy war back in 2014-2015, lost a shitton of troops and embarassed itself in front of the entire world by refusing to admit it even waged a war at all.

I know that you were talking about Russia merely backing up a potential U.S. enemy, but come on, the Ukrainian conflict showed how "competent" the Russians are and what their Army is made of.

Bombing the hell out of AK-wielding ISIS peasants is about all it can do.

If they [the Americans] are unlucky, it will turn into something MUCH worse.

The U.S. is bound to fail in any way only if they repeat the same mistake they did with Iraq and Afghanistan and remain in the country to wage an unwinnable counter-insurgency warfare.

A conventional phase of the war between the U.S. and [insert any Middle Eastern country] or Russia or any other 3rd world country will hardly be a fight — it will be a massacre.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're giving too much credit to combat capabilities of the Middle Easterners as they have proven themselves to be complete and total failures when it comes conventional warfare; take a look at any armed conflict involving these guys in the past 60 years.

This is true, of course. The Arab states have proven over the course of many wars (and many decades) that they are systematically incapable of fielding effective armies. Their incompetence is due to various cultural factors. This pretty much dooms them to failure in conventional wars.

Having said this, it must be kept in mind that Iran is NOT an Arab state. They are Persians, with a different language, culture, and history. They actually do have a tradition of military competence. The Iranians handled themselves quite well during the war with Iraq in the 80s. Their country was in a shambles after the Revolution and the U.S. sanctions. Iraq had the advantage due to their greater numbers and material superiority, and also because of U.S. intelligence support. Despite all that, Iran was able to fight them to a draw in a war lasting 8 years. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Iranian military, for example, has much of its combat equipment straight out of the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know about them.

Iran has 3700 tanks of various models, including over 400 of the new Karrars. They have over 2800 pieces of artillery, and nearly 2500 rocket projectors. They also have a huge arsenal of ballistic missiles, including the Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar: These have enough range to hit Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and even Israel. Iran has a modern air defense system with the Raad and S-300 missile systems, and Saeqeh fighter jets. They also have a large number of anti-ship missiles, fast attack craft, and submarines which they can use to close off the Persian gulf.

Iran will be a much more formidable adversary than Iraq ever was. They are a well rounded military force which can fight the U.S. in the air, sea, and land.

As for the transgenders and other crap infiltrating the U.S. military... Somehow I seriously doubt the U.S. gubmint will go full retard mode on this one and allow its biggest stick to be crippled. And even if they prove to be absolute morons and do, it's going to take a looooong time until this stuff has any serious effect on the quality of troops.

Its too late for that. Biden has already reversed Trumps ban on transvestites serving in the military. This will produce deleterious effects as soon as they begin entering the services, which cannot be more than a few months away. Cohesion and professionalism in the U.S. military is going to enter into a nosedive. They are shooting themselves in the foot, and they don't even know it. They have internalised Woke SJW politics so deeply that they can't even bring themselves to question the wisdom of putting transvesites in the military.

Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine for God's sake in its pathetic proxy war back in 2014-2015, lost a shitton of troops and embarassed itself in front of the entire world by refusing to admit it even waged a war at all.

It was never Russias intention to actually defeat Ukraine in the sense you imply. If they had launched a full fledged invasion, that would have provoked an immediate and forcible response from NATO. Putin knew this, so instead, he adopted a strategy that would stay below the threshold of NATO intervention. Russia a sent handful of battalions across the border, smashed some of Ukraines best units, and then withdrew. This strategy enabled them to deal a punishing blow to their adversary without igniting a full scale war.

[–]Lugger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Having said this, it must be kept in mind that Iran is NOT an Arab state. They are Persians, with a different language, culture, and history.

Yes, this is why I collectively referred to the people in my post as 'Middle Easterners', not just 'Arabs'.

Iranians are hardly better (if better at all), and one of the proofs has already been brought up by you — the Iran-Iraq war.

Iranians, just like any Arab country would, showed a total lack of competence and used retarded cannon fodder tactics and even child soldiers (!).

Needless to say, they suffered extremely heavy casualties and the only thing that prevented them from being totally annihilated was the fact their enemies were equally incompetent Iraqis, even though the latter had Western support.

Iran has 3700 tanks

Perhaps. But most of these tanks are Soviet-era rubbish, and as the U.S. invasions of Iraq have demonstrated, they are about as useful as horse carriages when facing modern vehicles.

Remember all those 'glorious' tank battles in Iraq invlolving T-72s and Abramses/Bradleys? Yes, the former were simply unable to get within their firing range and were obliterated from a large distance by either TOWs or M1s' advanced firing systems — this is the fate that awaits the Iranian 3700 pieces of junk.

And something tells me that only a small amount of those 3700 tanks are operational.

including over 400 of the new Karrars

Well, can't say anything about it because only the time will tell if those new tanks will be a good match for at least M1A1s.

They have over 2800 pieces of artillery, and nearly 2500 rocket projectors. They also have a huge arsenal of ballistic missiles, including the Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar

You are forgetting that Iraq also had a shitload of outdated guns of all kinds. However, all of them proved to be useless because, as far as modern warfare is concerned, quantity doesn't matter. Quality does. The same can be said about all the Iranian military gear pieces you listed, except...

S-300 missile systems

Now, that's kinda interesting, but, if I'm not mistaken, the number of Iranian S-300s can be counted on the fingers of one hand, not to mention the fact that S-300 is getting obsolete and is not likely to pose a serious threat to U.S. Air Force. Yes, it used to strike fear into the hearts of NATO generals, but now it's just a piece of junk from the 70s.

Iran will be a much more formidable adversary than Iraq war. They are a well rounded military force which can fight the U.S. in the air, sea, and land.

Hmm. Iran has neither the good track of combat experience nor good amounts of somewhat-decent equipment — all of which will be reduced to ashes due to American total air superiority. Yes, Iran indeed has a large number of cannon fodder it can throw at the American guns and guided missiles, but they may only stall the U.S. advance if the latter run out of munition to shoot the hordes of Iranian conscripts.

I'll say it again: in modern era, number of troops and gear doesn't matter as much as troops training, gear quality and good leadership do.

Iran has neither.

Its too late for that. Biden has already reversed Trumps ban on transvestites serving in the military. This will produce deleterious effects... ...

Unless the U.S. government is comprised entirely of retarded morons, they won't double down on woke shit in the military. But it's too early to speculate about that for now.

It was never Russias intention to actually defeat Ukraine in the sense you imply.

I never implied they wanted to fully destroy Ukraine.

As far as I know, they wanted to create a bunch of banana republic states run by Russian-backed rebels that would encompass the entirety of Southern and Eastern — or at least just Eastern — Ukraine and serve as a barrier between the rest of the country and Russia.

However, they failed and now the rebels only control a tiny amount of territories about to be overrun by the U.S.-backed Ukrainian army. We'll see how it turns out.

Russia a sent handful of battalions across the border, smashed some of Ukraines best units, and then withdrew.

Yeah, Russian units truly scored some victories over the Ukrainian Army, but they also suffered heavy losses in return; in fact, humiliatingly heavy because Putin had been building his army for dozens of years while the Ukrainians were pretty much stuck in the Soviet era in terms of both equipment and training.

Ukrainians had a laughably pathetic military in 2014-2015 (not sure how they are now though) and the fact that Russia took such heavy blows from them tells a lot.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Iranians are hardly better (if better at all), and one of the proofs has already been brought up by you — the Iran-Iraq war.

Iranians, just like any Arab country would, showed a total lack of competence and used retarded cannon fodder tactics and even child soldiers (!).

Needless to say, they suffered extremely heavy casualties and the only thing that prevented them from being totally annihilated was the fact their enemies were equally incompetent Iraqis, even though the latter had Western support.

You still don't get it. Iran was handicapped due to the chaos from the 1979 Revolution, when their society had almost broken down. Their military was in shambles due to purges. Iran was not at its best. They were further handicapped because they fought that entire war while under economic sanctions, which left them unable to buy weapons or supplys. Iran was also taken completely by surprise from Iraqs sudden invasion. Meanwhile, the U.S. was supplying Iraq with weapons shipments and intelligence support. Iran was fighting with all the odds against them, but they managed to endure. That is a fairly impressive performance.

 

Some more details on the Iran-Iraq war:

The Iranians were outnumbered for most of the war. Often badly. While Iran had a larger population with a larger draft pool, the problem was the Iranian logistic system totally collapsed after the revolution and was never rebuilt. As a result the Iranians could rarely keep more than 400,000 troops in the field, while the Iraqis routinely had 600-800,000 men.

And the Iraqis were much better armed too. By the time Iran went onto the offensive, Iraq had over 5,000 tanks, while Iran had about 500 left operational at any one time. Iran's divisions were entirely light infantry, while the Iraqis had substantial armoured and mechanized divisions with plentiful artillery and air support. A picture-perfect modern mechanized army.

On paper, the force the Iraqis had should have been able to roll all the way to Tehran. Instead they got bogged down a few miles over the border, and then in '81 and '82 got routed by an infantry army half their size.

The human wave is a highly popularized but rather minor part of the Iranian tactical repertoir, and one they used more as a distraction to fix Iraqi attention rather than as the main effort. Had that been the sum of their tactics they could have charged at the Iraqis with millions of troops and made no headway.

More commonly, the Iranians would conduct extensive patrolling at night to find weakpoints in the Iraqi lines. Then they would move up as many tanks and artillery pieces as they could get to a critical sector and suppress the defenses, while the infantry charged through the gaps and into the Iraqi flanks and rear. The irreplaceable tanks would then withdraw, and the Iranian infantry would go about encircling and destroying the penetrated armoured and mechanized formations.

These tactics were highly effective against the Iraqis who despite their vastly superior potential mobility nevertheless tended to sit immobile in their firebases while the Iranians moved around them, to the point that time and time again Iranian RPG tank hunter teams were able to wipe out entire tank batallions and brigades as they sat static waiting for orders.