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[–]TheJamesRocket 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Purges tend to have a very detrimental effect on the cohesion of a military force. Stalin learned this the hard way in the Winter war and the Great Patriotic war.

 

These morons are setting themselves up for failure. First they allow transvestites back into the U.S. military (which Trump had banned), and now they are purging white conservatives? They have no idea what kindof an effect this will have. The U.S. military has already declined on many levels, and these actions are just going to accelerate that process. If they get carried away, there will be a drastic loss in fighting power.

Biden and his Neocon friends are going to be in for a major shock when they start a war in the Middle East. It will be a total shitshow as units are filled with inept leaders and soldiers who struggle to perform basic tasks, and units disintegrate after prolonged bouts of hard fighting. The U.S. military is a paper tiger, and they won't know it until it is too late. As the saying goes: ''You go to war with the army you have.''

 

The Biden admin is going to be stuck in a quagmire with a dysfunctional military that can't fight peer enemies. Thats a recipe for disaster, especially with Russia in the background. If they are lucky, it will be like Vietnam all over again. If they are unlucky, it will turn into something MUCH worse.

This is why you NEVER let politics interfere with military administration (especially not with training or staffing). You might be able to get away with that Woke bullshit in a boardroom; but in a battlefield, it will get you killed. War is the one domain where you can't fake success.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The us military is already a paper tiger. It was turning into PC principal when I got out ten years ago. I can imagine how bad it will get. One problem we already have is that nearly everyone is a mercinary, and this will only get worse. No one is going to fight for America. The military is a jobs and leadership training program for women and minorities.

[–]Lugger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

One problem we already have is that nearly everyone is a mercinary

And how is that a problem? The idea that mercenaries are somehow unwilling to fight and die for a country has been proven false in all the recent and relatively recent conflicts involving the U.S. military.

Or would you prefer conscripts to mercenaries?

If that so, do you really think a poorly-trained shit-stained 18 y/o guy who was drafted in the military against his will is a more effective soldier than a well-paid well-motivated volunteer who knows what he's getting into and gets a nice paycheck and decent benefits in return for his service?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am not talking about professional mercenaries. You misunderstood. Professional mercenaries are great warriors. When I say mercenaries I mean our military is made up of people who joined for a paycheck and a job, not because they want to be a "guardian of freedom and the American way of life".

[–]Lugger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know what you meant, and it's true that a lot of U.S. troops join the military not because they're being patriotic or want to "protect the Constitution and serve the country", but solely to collect paychecks and gubmint benefits.

But still, these guys have proven themselves to be great warriors and, needless to say, it's much better to have someone like them in the military than conscripts.

Sure, the best soldiers are the ones who are both well-paid volunteers and patriots, but America's got to work with what it has.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Mercenary =/= professional soldier. It just means soldier for pay. You can have ill trained young mercenaries and underpaid/no pay old, skilled, professional, freedom fighters.

[–]Lugger 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Biden and his Neocon friends are going to be in for a major shock when they start a war in the Middle East.

The only ones who are going to be in a shock are Iranians or whatever ME country the U.S. decides to attack as their pathetic 'military' is completely obliterated by the U.S. expeditional forces.

You're giving too much credit to combat capabilities of the Middle Easterners as they have proven themselves to be complete and total failures when it comes conventional warfare; take a look at any armed conflict involving these guys in the past 60 years.

It doesn't matter if they fought the U.S., Israel or themselves — it's almost amusing how incompetent and poorly-equipped the Middle Easterners were and how quickly they were being crushed when fighting a serious foe, and it's not like they've changed in any way since.

Iranian military, for example, has much of its combat equipment straight out of the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know about them.

The U.S. military has already declined on many levels

As for the transgenders and other crap infiltrating the U.S. military... Somehow I seriously doubt the U.S. gubmint will go full retard mode on this one and allow its biggest stick to be crippled. And even if they prove to be absolute morons and do, it's going to take a looooong time until this stuff has any serious effect on the quality of troops.

especially with Russia

Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine for God's sake in its pathetic proxy war back in 2014-2015, lost a shitton of troops and embarassed itself in front of the entire world by refusing to admit it even waged a war at all.

I know that you were talking about Russia merely backing up a potential U.S. enemy, but come on, the Ukrainian conflict showed how "competent" the Russians are and what their Army is made of.

Bombing the hell out of AK-wielding ISIS peasants is about all it can do.

If they [the Americans] are unlucky, it will turn into something MUCH worse.

The U.S. is bound to fail in any way only if they repeat the same mistake they did with Iraq and Afghanistan and remain in the country to wage an unwinnable counter-insurgency warfare.

A conventional phase of the war between the U.S. and [insert any Middle Eastern country] or Russia or any other 3rd world country will hardly be a fight — it will be a massacre.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine for God's sake in its pathetic proxy war back in 2014-2015

Could have sworn they bloodlessly secured the vital Crimean peninsula which was the main goal in the first place. Eastern Ukraine has Russian involvement but it's not like the Russian involvement has been that heavy.

It doesn't matter if they fought the U.S., Israel or themselves — it's almost amusing how incompetent and poorly-equipped the Middle Easterners were and how quickly they were being crushed when fighting a serious foe,

Lebanaon seemed to do OK against Israel in 2006.

[–]Lugger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Could have sworn they bloodlessly secured the vital Crimean peninsula which was the main goal in the first place.

It means nothing because there was literally no challenge to the Russian Army: back in the day the Ukrainian soldiers stationed in Crimea were completely demoralized due to the Kyiv revolution/coup/whatever the fuck it was and received no orders at all; they simply didn't know what to do or how to react.

I've seen a few videos of Russians "securing" Crimean Ukrainian bases — they were just marching in with no resistance as the Ukrainians weren't even armed.

It was such an easy task that the Russians could as well have "secured" civilian-occupied buildings — the level of resistance and challenge would've been the same.

Eastern Ukraine has Russian involvement but it's not like the Russian involvement has been that heavy.

It wasn't heavy, but it was significant enought for Russians to lose a few of their state-of-the-art vehicles (as well as dozens of older ones) and hundreds of soldiers while fighting the same poorly-trained Ukrainian Army (who had their equipment comprised entirely of Soviet-era shit at that time) — that is how Russian troops perfomed while engaging a foe that actually fought back.

Lebanaon seemed to do OK against Israel in 2006.

Yeah, that was a rare instance of Arabs actually doing somewhat good against a strong army.

[–]DisgustResponse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Calling Lebanese Arabs

Dangerous game.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're giving too much credit to combat capabilities of the Middle Easterners as they have proven themselves to be complete and total failures when it comes conventional warfare; take a look at any armed conflict involving these guys in the past 60 years.

This is true, of course. The Arab states have proven over the course of many wars (and many decades) that they are systematically incapable of fielding effective armies. Their incompetence is due to various cultural factors. This pretty much dooms them to failure in conventional wars.

Having said this, it must be kept in mind that Iran is NOT an Arab state. They are Persians, with a different language, culture, and history. They actually do have a tradition of military competence. The Iranians handled themselves quite well during the war with Iraq in the 80s. Their country was in a shambles after the Revolution and the U.S. sanctions. Iraq had the advantage due to their greater numbers and material superiority, and also because of U.S. intelligence support. Despite all that, Iran was able to fight them to a draw in a war lasting 8 years. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Iranian military, for example, has much of its combat equipment straight out of the 60s and 70s. That's all you need to know about them.

Iran has 3700 tanks of various models, including over 400 of the new Karrars. They have over 2800 pieces of artillery, and nearly 2500 rocket projectors. They also have a huge arsenal of ballistic missiles, including the Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar: These have enough range to hit Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and even Israel. Iran has a modern air defense system with the Raad and S-300 missile systems, and Saeqeh fighter jets. They also have a large number of anti-ship missiles, fast attack craft, and submarines which they can use to close off the Persian gulf.

Iran will be a much more formidable adversary than Iraq ever was. They are a well rounded military force which can fight the U.S. in the air, sea, and land.

As for the transgenders and other crap infiltrating the U.S. military... Somehow I seriously doubt the U.S. gubmint will go full retard mode on this one and allow its biggest stick to be crippled. And even if they prove to be absolute morons and do, it's going to take a looooong time until this stuff has any serious effect on the quality of troops.

Its too late for that. Biden has already reversed Trumps ban on transvestites serving in the military. This will produce deleterious effects as soon as they begin entering the services, which cannot be more than a few months away. Cohesion and professionalism in the U.S. military is going to enter into a nosedive. They are shooting themselves in the foot, and they don't even know it. They have internalised Woke SJW politics so deeply that they can't even bring themselves to question the wisdom of putting transvesites in the military.

Russia couldn't even defeat Ukraine for God's sake in its pathetic proxy war back in 2014-2015, lost a shitton of troops and embarassed itself in front of the entire world by refusing to admit it even waged a war at all.

It was never Russias intention to actually defeat Ukraine in the sense you imply. If they had launched a full fledged invasion, that would have provoked an immediate and forcible response from NATO. Putin knew this, so instead, he adopted a strategy that would stay below the threshold of NATO intervention. Russia a sent handful of battalions across the border, smashed some of Ukraines best units, and then withdrew. This strategy enabled them to deal a punishing blow to their adversary without igniting a full scale war.

[–]Lugger 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Having said this, it must be kept in mind that Iran is NOT an Arab state. They are Persians, with a different language, culture, and history.

Yes, this is why I collectively referred to the people in my post as 'Middle Easterners', not just 'Arabs'.

Iranians are hardly better (if better at all), and one of the proofs has already been brought up by you — the Iran-Iraq war.

Iranians, just like any Arab country would, showed a total lack of competence and used retarded cannon fodder tactics and even child soldiers (!).

Needless to say, they suffered extremely heavy casualties and the only thing that prevented them from being totally annihilated was the fact their enemies were equally incompetent Iraqis, even though the latter had Western support.

Iran has 3700 tanks

Perhaps. But most of these tanks are Soviet-era rubbish, and as the U.S. invasions of Iraq have demonstrated, they are about as useful as horse carriages when facing modern vehicles.

Remember all those 'glorious' tank battles in Iraq invlolving T-72s and Abramses/Bradleys? Yes, the former were simply unable to get within their firing range and were obliterated from a large distance by either TOWs or M1s' advanced firing systems — this is the fate that awaits the Iranian 3700 pieces of junk.

And something tells me that only a small amount of those 3700 tanks are operational.

including over 400 of the new Karrars

Well, can't say anything about it because only the time will tell if those new tanks will be a good match for at least M1A1s.

They have over 2800 pieces of artillery, and nearly 2500 rocket projectors. They also have a huge arsenal of ballistic missiles, including the Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar

You are forgetting that Iraq also had a shitload of outdated guns of all kinds. However, all of them proved to be useless because, as far as modern warfare is concerned, quantity doesn't matter. Quality does. The same can be said about all the Iranian military gear pieces you listed, except...

S-300 missile systems

Now, that's kinda interesting, but, if I'm not mistaken, the number of Iranian S-300s can be counted on the fingers of one hand, not to mention the fact that S-300 is getting obsolete and is not likely to pose a serious threat to U.S. Air Force. Yes, it used to strike fear into the hearts of NATO generals, but now it's just a piece of junk from the 70s.

Iran will be a much more formidable adversary than Iraq war. They are a well rounded military force which can fight the U.S. in the air, sea, and land.

Hmm. Iran has neither the good track of combat experience nor good amounts of somewhat-decent equipment — all of which will be reduced to ashes due to American total air superiority. Yes, Iran indeed has a large number of cannon fodder it can throw at the American guns and guided missiles, but they may only stall the U.S. advance if the latter run out of munition to shoot the hordes of Iranian conscripts.

I'll say it again: in modern era, number of troops and gear doesn't matter as much as troops training, gear quality and good leadership do.

Iran has neither.

Its too late for that. Biden has already reversed Trumps ban on transvestites serving in the military. This will produce deleterious effects... ...

Unless the U.S. government is comprised entirely of retarded morons, they won't double down on woke shit in the military. But it's too early to speculate about that for now.

It was never Russias intention to actually defeat Ukraine in the sense you imply.

I never implied they wanted to fully destroy Ukraine.

As far as I know, they wanted to create a bunch of banana republic states run by Russian-backed rebels that would encompass the entirety of Southern and Eastern — or at least just Eastern — Ukraine and serve as a barrier between the rest of the country and Russia.

However, they failed and now the rebels only control a tiny amount of territories about to be overrun by the U.S.-backed Ukrainian army. We'll see how it turns out.

Russia a sent handful of battalions across the border, smashed some of Ukraines best units, and then withdrew.

Yeah, Russian units truly scored some victories over the Ukrainian Army, but they also suffered heavy losses in return; in fact, humiliatingly heavy because Putin had been building his army for dozens of years while the Ukrainians were pretty much stuck in the Soviet era in terms of both equipment and training.

Ukrainians had a laughably pathetic military in 2014-2015 (not sure how they are now though) and the fact that Russia took such heavy blows from them tells a lot.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Iranians are hardly better (if better at all), and one of the proofs has already been brought up by you — the Iran-Iraq war.

Iranians, just like any Arab country would, showed a total lack of competence and used retarded cannon fodder tactics and even child soldiers (!).

Needless to say, they suffered extremely heavy casualties and the only thing that prevented them from being totally annihilated was the fact their enemies were equally incompetent Iraqis, even though the latter had Western support.

You still don't get it. Iran was handicapped due to the chaos from the 1979 Revolution, when their society had almost broken down. Their military was in shambles due to purges. Iran was not at its best. They were further handicapped because they fought that entire war while under economic sanctions, which left them unable to buy weapons or supplys. Iran was also taken completely by surprise from Iraqs sudden invasion. Meanwhile, the U.S. was supplying Iraq with weapons shipments and intelligence support. Iran was fighting with all the odds against them, but they managed to endure. That is a fairly impressive performance.

 

Some more details on the Iran-Iraq war:

The Iranians were outnumbered for most of the war. Often badly. While Iran had a larger population with a larger draft pool, the problem was the Iranian logistic system totally collapsed after the revolution and was never rebuilt. As a result the Iranians could rarely keep more than 400,000 troops in the field, while the Iraqis routinely had 600-800,000 men.

And the Iraqis were much better armed too. By the time Iran went onto the offensive, Iraq had over 5,000 tanks, while Iran had about 500 left operational at any one time. Iran's divisions were entirely light infantry, while the Iraqis had substantial armoured and mechanized divisions with plentiful artillery and air support. A picture-perfect modern mechanized army.

On paper, the force the Iraqis had should have been able to roll all the way to Tehran. Instead they got bogged down a few miles over the border, and then in '81 and '82 got routed by an infantry army half their size.

The human wave is a highly popularized but rather minor part of the Iranian tactical repertoir, and one they used more as a distraction to fix Iraqi attention rather than as the main effort. Had that been the sum of their tactics they could have charged at the Iraqis with millions of troops and made no headway.

More commonly, the Iranians would conduct extensive patrolling at night to find weakpoints in the Iraqi lines. Then they would move up as many tanks and artillery pieces as they could get to a critical sector and suppress the defenses, while the infantry charged through the gaps and into the Iraqi flanks and rear. The irreplaceable tanks would then withdraw, and the Iranian infantry would go about encircling and destroying the penetrated armoured and mechanized formations.

These tactics were highly effective against the Iraqis who despite their vastly superior potential mobility nevertheless tended to sit immobile in their firebases while the Iranians moved around them, to the point that time and time again Iranian RPG tank hunter teams were able to wipe out entire tank batallions and brigades as they sat static waiting for orders.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The U.S. is bound to fail in any way only if they repeat the same mistake they did with Iraq and Afghanistan and remain in the country to wage an unwinnable counter-insurgency warfare.

This is exactly what will happen, except it will be on domestic soil. Rural America is the new Afghanistan

[–]Nasser 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's beyond delusional to underestimate the US military especially with automation and robotics revolutionizing the field.This purge will have minimal and reversible impact.

[–]TheJamesRocket 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Its beyond delusional to think that you can uproot the entire structure of the U.S. military without it having detrimental effects on their cohesion. That you can trample upon their very traditions (which are extremely important to an army) without paying any kind of price for that.

It really doesn't matter how many gold plated weapons systems the U.S. military has. They are a dysfunctional force that is becoming increasingly compromised by human and organisational factors. If these problems are allowed to fester, they will result in a loss of fighting power.

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Is this a cope or something?There is no chance in any kind of uprising against the military.

[–]TheJamesRocket 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who said anything about an insurrection? I certainly didn't. I was talking about the ability of the U.S. military to fight a war in the Middle East. It seems like you are on your own tangent.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even with better tools, tools are only as good as its users. The browning of the government and military will make it less and less possible to enforce sovereignty across vast swathes of America. A long drawn out insurgency as seen in third world countries is inevitable as America descends to that status

[–]Nasser 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How about automated robotics?What could you do against them?Death machines on wheels.

[–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You dont need some super strong military to supress rebellion and dissent. You can do that with intelligence gathering and surveillance, 24/7 media propaganda, cancel culture, a corrupt court system and aggressive targeted use of law enforcement, and those things are only going to be increasingly used to suppress dissent.

The US system wont collapse through open armed rebellion. It will do so through financial and economic mismanagement, corruption, crumbling infrastructure and societal dysfunction, open discrimination and oppression of your most productive members of society, and a lack of faith in the system. The Soviet Union collapsed without a shot being fired. A similar fate is increasingly likely in the US.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is no chance in any kind of uprising against the military.

Nobody is talking about this in this thread but now that you bring it up I can assure you US soldiers would not fight against their own people in any capacity. Any such action would result in military wide mutiny. The military themselves have released multiple studies showing they would not be able to successfully maintain control or 'defeat' even a small scale national civil insurrection. You sound like a person who does not have much experience with military people (or at least not white military people).

If the jew cabal wants to use the US military to lock the country down or attack citizens it would need to go through years and years of purges so that at least 90 plus percent of the military were non white, gay, jew, female, trans etc. I doubt such a force would be very effective against millions of armed angry whites (many of whom will be former military themselves) that have nothing to lose.

[–]president_camacho 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What he's saying is that it doesnt matter if it adversely affects military performance. The US military is largely just an occupation/anti insurgency force in situations where we have total air and technological supremacy. It's not like were fighting wars against Russia or China, or would ever do that. We're using our military to bomb and shell Afghan goat herders and now thanks to Biden, intimidate the American populace.

Our massive nuclear stockpile, airpower, technological supremacy and geographic isolation from our enemies makes actual ground forces redundant in terms of protecting the US from foreign attack.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Really reminds you and should white pill you about the real nature of the enemy we oppose. They are insane, moronic fools. They are so fucking infinitely incompetent despite having so much power that it boggles the mind. They also are compulsive and can never turn back from this path.

This is just another in a long series of humiliations for soldiers by the higher ups in the military -- happens here in Aus too -- who are guided by this broken ideology. What could go wrong by conflating the idea of 'White supremacy' to basically include an entire panoply of normal and historically present motivations in America like conservatism, being pro-gun, being pro-constitution and others? Well you'll only demonize and alienate most of the population who would make up the competent core of your own military. Who cares! There's racism to fight.

These people are in an endless cycle of destruction and I'm convinced it's because they're seriously just brain dead fools.

[–]Nombre27 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are so fucking infinitely incompetent despite having so much power that it boggles the mind.

I think this depends on what you think their end goal is. If you're thinking it's to retain the US as military hegemon, then it would appear that way. If you think it's to weaken the US so that some third world (globohomo) UN army funded by the US can takes it place, then it would make sense to weaken the US military.

With all the great reset, global-this agendas, I'm leaning towards the latter.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US military has always been the biggest enemy of fascism.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

De-Bathification worked so well.

I have a better idea, purge all the non-Whites and watch things go back to normal. In this new world, virtually no one that fought in any previous war would be allowed to be in the military.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, at least I'll never have to go to war for (((Our Greatest Ally))).

[–]Richard_Parker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How far does this go? Does a soldier get kicked out for building German Ww2 models? What if he has, say a German officers dagger? Are they going to litigate meaning and original of Nazi memorabilia? Ie this guy has an Iron Cross with a swastikas, but he inherited from his grandfather who took it as a trophy. But this mother guy bought a German officers dagger because he likes it.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A lot of these are religious symbols, would this stand up to a first amendment court case or is there special rules for military?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Pretty sure the courts would rule against 1A for the swastika at this point, Hindus and Buddhists are a small minority that are considered Islamophobic anyway